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TheDividendReport t1_j9xyo5y wrote

Reply to comment by [deleted] in Likelihood of OpenAI moderation flagging a sentence containing negative adjectives about a demographic as 'Hateful'. by grungabunga

Here comes an anecdotal statement: I, a leftist, have never used a chatbot to talk up some sense of hatred or disbelief about conservatives.

The first thing that finally made the tech "click" for my Republican family member? Using the chatbot to make a comical tirade letter to his senator about immigrants taking jobs and parasites using welfare.

The following statement is uneducated but I'd stand by it on a gut feeling: if you are coding a system and expecting one group of people to be more hateful than another, to put in restraints for x vs y, it makes a lot more sense to account for the people not taking LSD and mushrooms.

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turnip_burrito t1_j9xyvvr wrote

> it makes a lot more sense to account for the people not taking LSD and mushrooms.

Sorry, I don't understand this part. What do you mean here?

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TheDividendReport t1_j9xzwm5 wrote

Ideologically speaking, leftists have been shown to empathic motivation (harm avoidance, fairness) while conservatives value moral foundations in group loyalty and deference to authority.

In other words, the way these two groups view people not like themselves is very different. Whenever I see a leftist talking down about a conservative person, it is because of perceived bigotry. It is a political frustration they view as the source of harm/exploitation/power imbalance.

However, most times that I see a conservative talk down on other groups, it is because of immigrants, this group of people, that way of life, or a perceived threat to their identity.

Psychotropic substances have very strong consciousness expanding effects. Outside of sociopaths, I do not come across people that have ingested these substances and not found themselves leaning more left by the end of the year. Thinking more empathetically and less prone towards the types of statements you'd see a hateful person ask a chatbot. There are much better ways to spend one's time.

Again, super anecdotal statement I'm making here.

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FattThor t1_j9yj9iv wrote

You have a very recent view of left and right. Communism’s body count is evidence against your idea of leftists always being empathetically motivated, fair, or interested in harm avoidance. Most ideologies become dangerous at their extremes. It’s not something inherently present in conservatism but missing from leftist or other ideologies.

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TheDividendReport t1_ja004ib wrote

Both become dangerous and extreme but there is one group that is going to be much more likely to use AI to draft up hate against groups of different identities.

The most a leftist, in the scope of most US politics today, is going to be hateful towards is a political belief. You'll get called petite bourgeois and class traitor, sure, but you really don't come across hate on the left in the same flavor you come across hate on the right.

I also live in the south, so I could be extra biased on this

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zero0n3 t1_ja0vllr wrote

I read the study you use as a reference and it was a really decently well done study.

Passes the eye test for sure, but never can just rely on that.

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LightVelox t1_j9ymr47 wrote

empathic motivation/harm avoidance = riots, celebrating the death of rightists, shaming people for their genetic "privileges", reducing people to sub-human status so it's okay to treat them like trash

the "other side" is as bad, if not worse, but acting as if the left wing are the saints that fight for fairness while right wing(the other 50%) is the devil that hates immigrants and everyone else is laughable

especially when the far-left has a far higher body count than the far-right

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Yelling_at_the_sun t1_j9zb1a2 wrote

Oh FFS, the WHO estimates that appropriatly 25k people starve to death every single day in Capitalist countries, despite the fact that the world currently produces enough food to feed in excess of 10 billion people. On average one child dies of starvation approximately every 10 seconds. That works out to around 2 Holodmor per year.

The US incarcerates & executes a greater percentage of its citizens than anywhere else on earth.

GTFO with that "the left has a far higher body count" B.S.

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TheDividendReport t1_ja00k2o wrote

You misunderstand my statement. Intrinsic motivation does not equal real intent. I'm saying that, on a subconscious level, leftists are driven by a "sense" that is rooted in different emotions than conservatives. I'm also not saying that one group is more or less dangerous. I believe that people will interact with these agents for the bad in different ways

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LightVelox t1_ja0a5ew wrote

Well, the intrinsic motivation for most right-wing people i've meet were related mostly to taxes, freedom or being anti-state.

You mention fairness as one of the motivations for left-wing, but most right-wingers(that aren't far-right conservatives) are also searching for fairness, the thing is that THEIR fairness is not the same as left-wing's fairness.

Though you specifically mentioned "conservative" instead of "right-winger" so i can understand your point of view

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