Submitted by Unethical_Orange t3_10cknig in science
Reply to comment by CopperBranch72 in Avian influenza viruses of the H5 subtype and H7 subtype have caused 2634 human cases around the world, including more than 1000 deaths. These viruses have caused numerous disease outbreaks in wild birds and domestic poultry, and are responsible for the loss of at least 422 million domestic birds. by Unethical_Orange
Go organic not vegan.
I used to be a horticulturalist (mostly pip fruit and some vege).
One of my jobs was to monitor for life forms and devise a way to kill them with herbicides, fungicides, nemocides, insecticide, firearms(mammals and birds), etc. Firearms excepted basically oil products.
Another was to plan and apply artificial fertiliser - oil products basically.
We drove tractors (oil fueled) that compact the soil.
Last I read UN say that 60% of arable land is degraded.
We need the right number of animals to support organic horticultural. Not to replace unsustainable agriculture with unsustainable horticulture.
Veganic farming is also a thing. But saying "go organic not vegan" is such a wrong statement. Like going organic is actually better in preventing pandemics and environmental issues, or that people shouldn't go vegan at all.
Of course if you'd like to present any credible studies on that claim I'd be interested to see them, if you actually think that's the case of course.
I am born and brought up to be vegan. However, with mainly carbs being major part of most of vegan diets, things start getting messed up much sooner in the body. This is from lot of research online over past 4 years. Some research online exists
Sure, care to reference some of that research? Since most research seems to show the opposite on plant-based diets.
For starters look up Dr berg and Dr Ekberg on YouTube. Tons of issues related to carbs. Some veggies have phytates, lectins and so on. Need to careful there as well. Lot of my family members issues started reducing once we started carbs. Triglycerides came in normal range, so is glucose, and VLDL
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You are making the assertion that veganic farming exists. You prove your assertion, don't lazily expect me to do your homework.
Show where and how veganic methods deal with fertility cycling, pest control, etc.
Have the confidence to prove your unsubstantiated assertion.
Will do that once you drop the laziness of not backing up your claims with studies.
My presented evidence is 4 comments up.
Your evidence is missing, presumed non-existent.
I will say in my foal and informal training I have never heard of it but accept I do not know everything.
If you have sources stop being half-arsed and present it.
Not on this post it isn't. I haven't even made any claims that I'd need to back up, just pointed out that veganic farming (which is organic farming without the use of animals) is also an option, if non-organic food production is an issue.
You did not give any references to eating organic being better than going vegan for the issues we discussed about, and you are still avoiding doing so. You made the claim, so provide the evidence. Unless you can't.
The Spanish flu from a century ago didn't start on CAFOs, it started on extensive farms, likely in South Carolina. https://www.pnas.org/doi/10.1073/pnas.96.4.1651
You should at least learn about veganic farming.
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Yes pesticides and such are also a problem. I buy organic whenever I can. But that in no way justifies slaughtering animals.
They’re tasty.
Also, the structures of our teeth make it clear that we are meant to eat meat.
Yes, our large molars and the fact our jaws move around in a circular motion to grind just like cows... hold on a second...
One word: incisors
Edit: Ok, two words. Canines
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To farm organically we have to replicate natural systems of plant and animal interaction.
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