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Ankh-Morporknbeans t1_j5xc0iz wrote

Wooo! Good job guys, it was a team effort, everyone take a day, you've earned it

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Rayjc58 t1_j5xckk6 wrote

Drugs , shootings, infection ignorance, lack of health care , poverty , homelessness and risk ,diet - all relatively solvable but cost money , poor are worked to death .

Ask , do they rich live longer due to no poverty , good housing, good diet, education safer domicile, good health care?

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dennismike123 t1_j5xfhyi wrote

This is a misleading headline in that it represents the averaging of two separate areas of a measured pool of participants. If you would divide America into two groups, the richest 30 percent and the remaining 70 percent which would be the poorest, you find that for whatever reason, the lower 70 percent has been watching their life expectancy drop for the past 5 years while the richest 30 percent has seen their life expectancy increase and stay up with the western European averages as well. Because there are so many more of the "getting worse here boss" people, the OVERALL average shows a decline for the past two years. If you are in the top 30 percent or have money or great insurance, you don't have to worry about headlines that include the lower 70 percent, you will do all right. If you are in the lower 70 percent, sorry to tell you that your life expectancy has actually gone down more than what they reported, because they included the other 30 percent in the averaging. Can we get something besides healthcare only for the wealthy and their approved "associates"?

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Steinrikur t1_j5xqc5z wrote

Replying to Rayjc58 (#1,500,596)

Covid deaths really didn't help, but y'all stopped increasing around 2010. Life expectancy in every other developed country is steadily increasing.

And yes, I think that the life expectancy of the 1% is around 5 years higher than the filthy casuals. Edit: make that 15

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HogfishMaximus t1_j5y1oxo wrote

Yeah, but amerika is best country and be having most freedumb!

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SexyOldHobo t1_j5y5aqk wrote

Well we just passed that $800B military bill, maybe we can bring everyone else down to our level

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HDSpiele t1_j5ygd9p wrote

Replying to Rayjc58 (#1,500,596)

I mean you could choose a saver domicile go life in the rural equiverlant of Middle of nowhere like town with less than 100 people nowhere. house prices are still preaty cheap there as nobody actully whants to life there but basicly no crime and cheap prices of living but no sewage and probably no internet.

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[deleted] t1_j5ygt0g wrote

Replying to dennismike123 (#1,500,935)

It's the same bifurcation in education, where Americans that attend the top 20% of high schools and colleges are easily competitive with 'best in the world' systems but then there's everyone else.

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D0g_spleen t1_j5yt3to wrote

I was born in 1997. My life expectancy has beeen decreasing my entire life?

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flojo2012 t1_j5z7ry9 wrote

Replying to Rayjc58 (#1,500,596)

Before jumping off the deepend of obvious problems America has, it’s important to compare the relative life expectancy dip of other countries to determine the change pandemic life (a somewhat controlled variable) had on that life expectancy.

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sf_sf_sf t1_j5zaytp wrote

Replying to dennismike123 (#1,500,935)

It would be interesting to see the healthy results for America's wealthiest (10/20/30%) and compare it to the average European.

Question; Do you have to be super rich in America just to get the Average health results for Europe?

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nimama3233 t1_j5zd92t wrote

Replying to sf_sf_sf (#1,508,734)

You certainly don’t have to be super rich, just stable.

A salary a bit above the median and a job with consistent insurance means you’ll have equal opportunity for healthcare relative to Western Europe.

I also don’t think this decrease in life expectancy is necessarily entirely due to healthcare; overdoses have massively gone up and so have suicides. This yet again effects poor people more than those that are well off and comfortable.

Our biggest issue is certainly the wealth gap. There’s a LOT of people in relative poverty and the minimum guarantees for quality of life provided by the government is absolutely not on par with Western Europe.

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ATXDefenseAttorney t1_j60mfob wrote

It's almost like we had a massive nationwide health emergency the last few years!

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gordonjames62 t1_j60runl wrote

Wikipedia has an interesting List of countries by past life expectancy that has data from 1950 to 2015 in five-year periods.

In the most recent they have (2010 to 2015) the list looks like this

  • Hong Kong, Macau and Japan at 83 years
  • Switzerland, Spain, Italy, Singapore, Australia, Iceland, at 82 years
  • Israel, France, Sweden, Canada, Norway, and more at 81 years.

USA is surprisingly low (in 43rd place) at 78 years.

Now in 2021 USA is at 76 years, the lowest since 1996.

In terms of ethnicity and culture, USA and Canada are probably most alike.

Back in 1950-1955 the data had Canada and USA close in ranking at #11 and #13 respectively. Their life expectancy was similar at 69.05 and 68.71.

This list of 10 leading causes of death from the CDC shows an increase in the top 5 causes of death (heart, cancer, covid, injuries, stroke)

interesting data.

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Andy-Holland t1_j60xzyu wrote

Not just in the United States.

https://www.ons.gov.uk/peoplepopulationandcommunity/birthsdeathsandmarriages/deaths/bulletins/deathsregisteredweeklyinenglandandwalesprovisional/weekending13january2023

Excess deaths, non-Covid, have been high since the pandemic began according to insurance data. Excess deaths among working age people, especially those insured by large corporations, went up faster than all others in 3rd quarter '22, 40% excess where a 10% excess would be catastrophic, a 40% excess is way outside of statistical probability. Wonder what happened in the 2nd and 3rd quarter of 2020?

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Im_stillinlove t1_j611blv wrote

Replying to ATXDefenseAttorney (#1,514,797)

I was told our life expectancy would start dropping in middle school(early 2010s) because of a lack of affordable healthcare and overworking. This was pre covid of course. This is an issue the government already knows about they just don't care about us plebs.

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bmyst70 t1_j617g34 wrote

And that is before the "ban abortion in all Red States" started. I expect that life expectancy to go further downhill in the next few years. Particularly for women.

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flojo2012 t1_j621xw7 wrote

Replying to Rayjc58 (#1,521,321)

Did European countries see a similar dip?

Many of the items you described were also problems before the pandemic, so it doesn’t exactly explain the dip. It would be curious to find if other countries saw a dip as well, or the size of their dip.

The article does attribute the dip to drug overdoses and Covid, mainly.

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isaiddgooddaysir t1_j62ki4f wrote

Replying to D0g_spleen (#1,506,277)

Well, if you get addicted to opiates and not taking vaccines than most likely... But if you, Dont smoke, do your best not to be diabetic (I know it is not always a choice), get your vaccinations and limit alcohol. I think it might be different for you.

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Shawn_NYC t1_j63to7a wrote

Replying to D0g_spleen (#1,506,277)

Life expectancy is highly dependent on the state you live in. If you live in a Republican state the prognosis is not good. If you live in Kentucky or Alabama your life expectancy (75) is the same as someone in Belarus, Jamaica, or occupied Palestine. If you live in blue state New York, California, or Hawaii your life expectancy (81.5) is similar to Denmark and Germany.

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