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BoreDominated t1_j0km2kn wrote

Reply to comment by apathetic_panda in Among black parents, paternal support and interparental relationship quality can play a protective role, promoting maternal mental health and wellbeing. by Respawan

>Black fathers have been specifically impeded by the State from doing so in the United States for centuries

Impeded from doing what, being fathers?

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nothanks86 t1_j0kmfit wrote

Hard to parent from prison.

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BoreDominated t1_j0ms74n wrote

What does that have to do with the state impeding them? Are you suggesting the state shouldn't lock them up for choosing to commit crimes?

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bmorejaded t1_j0kxy93 wrote

Mass encarceration was a real problem. Until relatively recently men had to abandon their families to get government support. This was actually enforced with black families. Even now women lose childcare when dad lives at home even if he's looking for a job. Recent studies have shown that black men are more likely than fathers from other demographics to engage actively in parenting. I believe this has something to do with how hard it is for black men to find jobs.

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S_SubZero t1_j0m8afs wrote

What “government support” do they need?

This all sorta rolls back to the whole, very frowned-upon common sense of “I’m not financially or otherwise prepared to have a family so maybe I should just keep it in my pants and stick to jacking off to porn.” It sounds silly to say, but not actively creating children to care for substantially reduces the number of children one has to care for.

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bmorejaded t1_j0oqu4b wrote

Isn't having children likely to reduce the standard of living for anyone. I'm not sure how this is relevant. Should Black people not have children because things like employment discrimination make it more difficult? The US is a harsh environment for Black and Native American people especially. Should they not have children because of that? What about people in harsh environments all over the world where resources are scarce? You seem to be implying that oppressed people should die out by not reproducing or something. Maybe finish the job the system is imposing.

Btw people need support for all kinds of reasons. In some cases, it may be because racist employers make it difficult to find work or a bread winner gets incarcerated or somebody gets cancer or some other disease or somebody dies. All of which affect Black and Native people at higher rates.

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S_SubZero t1_j0os2fw wrote

A couple who do not believe they are prepared to have a child, should not have a child.

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bmorejaded t1_j0q8hyl wrote

What do you mean by not prepared and what does that have to do with the prison industrial complex and the other things I talked about? You can be completely capable and have the government ratfuck you. There is research that says that black men are treated poorly when they try to be involved in their kids' education. All of these things are external forces that make it more difficult for black men to parent. What don't you understand?

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S_SubZero t1_j0q9ia7 wrote

How prepared a couple believes they are depends on them. Couples can analyze their finances and whatever other factors apply to them, and make the decision when they feel they are ready to do so. The topic is about black parents but any potential parents can do these things.

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apathetic_panda t1_j0l2cpb wrote

Do you teach in our schools or more specifically lecture for the PTA?

BECAUSE somebody should pay you to

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bmorejaded t1_j0l2pk6 wrote

I teach at the college level. I taught at black schools in impoverished areas and I'm from Baltimore. I've seen this stuff happen in real time.

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apathetic_panda t1_j0l31b2 wrote

You're an actual hero.

Any neat tricks kids these days are up to that'll rock the block?

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apathetic_panda t1_j0kmm2o wrote

Yes.

Or did you think housing + hiring discrimination & mass incarceration comes with a free turkey?

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BoreDominated t1_j0msclq wrote

When you say "mass incarceration", are they being incarcerated for shits and giggles, or because they've chosen to do something to cause them to be incarcerated?

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apathetic_panda t1_j0msr5o wrote

Choices. Oh aren't you clever?

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BoreDominated t1_j0mszvc wrote

Okay, so they're not really being impeded by the state there, since the state is incarcerating them because they're committing crimes. It's the decision to commit the crime that impeded them.

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apathetic_panda t1_j0mtcpv wrote

Nice assumptions. Totally realistic basis. Got any to close this absolutist argument with?

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BoreDominated t1_j0mtmb3 wrote

Unless you're suggesting black people are being falsely imprisoned en masse, I think it's a justified assumption.

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