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CatOfGrey t1_j0e2ji5 wrote

I'm curious - could there be a relationship with recent immigrants owning restaurants?

I'm thinking about Los Angeles, where a random taco shop might be 3rd generation, but the Chinese food place is more likely to be owned by someone whose family arrived in 2010, so they aren't 'raised with US practices' like different demographic groups.

A long term solution might be education of these folks to prevent problems.

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paceminterris t1_j0fs2l4 wrote

How come, when it comes to light that Asian restaurants are being disproportionately handed bad health inspections - everyone always jumps on blaming Asians or assuming that the inspections are objective - but when it is brought up that black people are disproportionately arrested, the whole world jumps to the conclusion that it is ONLY because police are racist and that is is ABSOLUTELY UNTRUE that black people might, in fact, commit more crimes?

Typical Reddit racism. Americans recognize the mistreatment of non-Asian (black, hispanic, TQIA++) minorities, yet gaslight Asians for the racism they face and refuse to acknowledge that Asians are the last minority all Americans can discriminate against and still be accepted.

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luciensadi t1_j0gr0is wrote

I don’t think I’ve seen the term TQIA++ before, what does it stand for in your context here?

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TheSinningRobot t1_j0guluw wrote

What an unbalanced argument.

One of those statements is simply saying that one culture has some differences in how they prepare food. The other statement is saying, this group of people is more likely to commit crimes because of the color of their skin. If you believe those two statements are the same type of discrimination, you're delusional.

Not to mention the fact, that the difference being pointed out here is about Chinese people coming here from a completely different culture, versus the culture of a group of people who have been here since the birth of the nation.

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CatOfGrey t1_j0i376o wrote

>How come, when it comes to light that Asian restaurants are being disproportionately handed bad health inspections - everyone always jumps on blaming Asians or assuming that the inspections are objective

If you look at my comment, I've answered your question. More specifically, I've asked a question of someone with expertise.

My hypothesis: it's not a race issue, it's an issue of recent immigration. Restaurant owners that recently immigrated may be less informed of specific health codes, and practice as they have learned. So when different populations have different immigration histories, it's not a race issue, but something else!

That said, you'll notice that the intent of my question is actually to solve this issue, not put restaurant owners out of business.

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minuialear t1_j0hrjbh wrote

Ignoring how patently absurd most of your comment is, I don't think people are trying to "blame" Asians. I see people wondering if specific circumstances they've observed with Asian restaurants in their area (circumstances which aren't even objectively negative) are causing the disproportionate citations. Wondering if Asian immigrants may be disproportionately targeted because their traditional cooking methods may not comport with NY rules is hardly blaming Asians or arguing that the rules are fair. Nor is pointing out that other restaurants with more wealth have the means to skirt around the same regulations. It's simply identifying a potential reason for the disproportionate treatment that deserves further attention.

If this IS the reason why Asian restaurants get cited the most, for example, then it seems like maybe NYC needs to reconsider how it evaluates cooking practices or needs to evaluate restaurants in a way that would catch the Michelin star restaurant who cures its meat next door, in addition to the mom and pop restaurant that doesn't have the means to hide their meats.

Blaming Asians would be saying things like "Well yeah immigrants don't clean their restaurants so this tracks"/"Yeah I'm not familiar with these completely benign practices and therefore agree they're gross and should be banned"/equally racist statements

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Lutra_Lovegood t1_j0fye41 wrote

> the Chinese food place is more likely to be owned by someone whose family arrived in 2010

What's your source?

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CatOfGrey t1_j0hjdu6 wrote

Living in San Gabriel. It's a dominantly Asian area, surrounded by dominantly Latino areas. 20+ meals a year out of restaurants where the owners and staff service almost zero White people.

It's not a scientific survey. It's also not without basis.

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Maxfunky t1_j0f5bub wrote

It's not calling someone "stupid" too suggest that people who come from another country may not be familiar with the food safety standards here. It's not as if those standards are universal. It is indeed the case that often immigrants don't know that some of their traditional practices won't be acceptable under their local food code.

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CatOfGrey t1_j0eowcl wrote

I'm asking a question of someone who seems to have more experience. Not making any sort of judgement.

The intent is to figure out the best way to serve the public. Regulations are a common way that immigrants get screwed, and I would like to prevent that.

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CartmansEvilTwin t1_j0f2hka wrote

I'm just saying that thinking this is racist is uneducated (or even stupid) on multiple levels.

Maybe read the definition of racism again?

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AadamAtomic t1_j0f30c0 wrote

>I'm just saying that thinking this is racist is uneducated (or even stupid) on multiple levels.

calling Immigrants stupid, and suggesting that they need education camps like Canada, U.S, and the british empire did to natives and black people, is indeed a racist thing to say.

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MolassesFast t1_j0f8d13 wrote

Show me in their comment were they said either of those things.

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thefi3nd t1_j0f8mgq wrote

Why are you forcing 'camps'? Why not something realistic like a short online Udemy-style course in order to get a restaurant license?

Help to educate people that don't have experience with local food regulations so that they don't get fined? Must be racist!

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goopsnice t1_j0fida5 wrote

I’m not saying I’d make the same comment but you’re projecting so much onto what they’re saying.

Asking if people don’t know American regulations because they’ve recently moved to America and saying if so it would be good to inform them of regulations is a pretty benign take. I don’t think they worded it great to be fair but god damn, you’re making a mountain out of a mole hill talking about colonial education camps.

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