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Darth_Kahuna OP t1_iyke3hh wrote

Reply to comment by mlqdscrvn in Gold from ancient Troy, Poliochni and Ur had the same origin by Darth_Kahuna

That's the point, the gold all had the same origin, we simply do not know where that is.

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clericalclass t1_iykgrrl wrote

Clearly Atlantis.

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Lurker_IV t1_iynqmto wrote

You say that jokingly, perhaps, but there is probably some truth to it.

I think the gold likely came from across the Atlantic ocean from the Americas. I think ancient civilizations had nearly global trade networks and traded gold and other metals all the way from the Americas to Egypt.

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Robert_Cannelin t1_iyodafy wrote

There is literally no reason to think this. Their ships could do no more than skirt the shorelines.

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JRizzie86 t1_iyoncoy wrote

You have zero evidence of this.

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Robert_Cannelin t1_iyr03i0 wrote

It doesn't work that way. You have to provide evidence they could.

For instance, provide evidence of ocean-going vessels, trans-oceanic trade, genomic mixing, etc. Hint: don't bother, there is none.

And supposing that Troy's gold came from the Americas isn't evidence.

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clericalclass t1_iynt56u wrote

It was a joke, but I honestly couldn't refute that idea nor would I have a reason to think it too crazy. I find that the more I learn about history the less shocking the seemingly wild connections are.

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salton t1_iylpf3e wrote

Ancient people had vast trade networks.

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DirtyReseller t1_iykje3n wrote

How does not knowing the origin = having the same origin?

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Darth_Kahuna OP t1_iykkty9 wrote

If you read the study linked in the article it says the chemical composition of the impurities in the gold are as such that the probabilities of the gold being mined and smelted anywhere else than the same location is extremely unlikely. Now, where the OG mines are and place of smelting are is a mystery?

It's like having three ppl take a DNA test and they find out they are siblings yet they do not know who their parents are.

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AnybodyZ t1_iykl0bk wrote

I assume the make up of the gold is identical but we do not know the original source

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Devil-sAdvocate t1_iykqype wrote

> If we observe the share of trace elements in the gold from Troy, Poliochni and Ur, Bronze Age gold from Georgia correlates the closest with the stated find sites. But we still lack data and studies from other regions...

The Sakdrissi gold mine in Georgia was discovered in 2004 by German archaeologists from Ruhr-University Bochum and is dated to the third millennium BCE.

The region south of the Great Caucasus (present day Georgia) is known from the Greek myth of the “Golden Fleece”. Iason, a Mycenaean hero of royal origin, sailed with the Argonauts from Greece to the Colchis to demand the “Golden Fleece” from king Aietes. Iason successfully looted the fleece with the help of the king’s daughter, Medea. The “Golden Fleece” stands as a symbol for the recovery of gold from placers using the skin of an ox or a sheep. The myth of the “Golden Fleece” is proof of the economic wealth of this region. The richness in gold is verified extraordinarily by the excavations of 5th to 3rd century BC royal graves of the acropolis at Vani, the capital of the kingdom of Colchis.

> But we still lack data and studies from other regions...

A few contenders:

The oldest processed gold in the world was found in Bulgaria, 4,560-4,450 BC on the Bulgarian Black Sea coast.

Nubian gold mines may have first existed from 5000 BC.

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Aethenae t1_iylus0t wrote

In the same way you can see that identical twins came from the same place, even though you don’t know their mom.

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