Swarna_Keanu t1_ixfi6rv wrote
Reply to comment by DanimusMcSassypants in Danish scientists concoct fat-free whipped cream out of lactic acid bacteria | Someday our whipped topping could be made from beer-brewing residues or plants by Hrmbee
I guess as with most of the topic - different from one to the next. Vegans turn vegan for different reasons - connected to ethics. My main driver is climate change, biodiversity loss, with animal abuse important but a bit further down the list. (i.e. I don't think hunter gatherers were wrong - but they had a clear set of not taking too much and honouring what they killed ... so I am not entirely against, but very much so against the scale and the industrial nature of it; against lab research and against harm to animals). I would eat road kill, if I were living somewhere that'd be feasible - which means I am on a vegan diet, as the same person with stricter rules, but don't follow an absolute vegan philosophy.
[I'd choose wool over an oil-based or cotton wool t-shirt as the latter too are more damaging in relation to my core issues.]
So in this case - I'd want to look at energy costs, what it does to the big picture - i.e. what are the social outcomes. But I also eat vegan as a highly meat based diet just really isn't what we are designed for. And there's an aspect of power behind it, too - who is producing the lab meat and where do the profits go; what do they do with the profits?
I am partly vegan because "conventional" farming also contributes to biodiversity loss - and at least being more vegetable focused reduces, but doesn't eliminate that part. So ... loads a factors to see, observe, think through before I can have a clear ethical stance on it.
Ok_Lifeguard_6508 t1_ixhd907 wrote
Hunter gatherers wiped out megfauna pretty much everywhere they went across the globe. The idea of hunter gatherers in balance we with nature is largely a myth.
DanimusMcSassypants t1_ixfinex wrote
Thanks for the thoughtful response. I recognize the complexity of the issue, and my intention wasn’t to oversimplify. Im very interested to see how this develops.
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