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[deleted] t1_iw74u7v wrote

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asbruckman OP t1_iw76asd wrote

People who feel that Snopes is not reliable are in the “reason to disagree” category

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[deleted] t1_iw780rt wrote

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[deleted] t1_iw7eq77 wrote

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EdoTve t1_iw7d9id wrote

Yeah ok but does the study assume that snopes is a source of truth? This sounds like a self fulfilling statement.

You either agree with snopes or you fall in the misinformation category, by axiom.

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asbruckman OP t1_iw7dmgh wrote

I’m not saying Snopes is always right. But the specific stories in the study were not borderline—they were provably wrong.

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rtopps43 t1_iw7h9uc wrote

I love that you guys can’t even see it you’re in so deep. The study didn’t have a “misinformation category” it was about how people REACT to it broken into 5 types and “people who disagreed with the fact check because they didn’t trust snopes” was ONE of them. THATS you. That’s all it said but your so busy being offended you can’t SEE it, I’m dyin over here!

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holyoak t1_iwa773t wrote

You seem to have trouble with the distinction between all of Snopes and things Snopes definitely got correct.

The authors are very clear about making this distinction.

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murderedbyaname t1_iw7e9lv wrote

Snopes cites sources that you can follow.

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BodhiRomeo t1_iw8bgy9 wrote

Most people won't review the sources and or can't spot junk science.

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CosmicDave t1_iw7f4d3 wrote

Wrong. You either agree with the facts, or you fall into the misinformation category. That is how facts work.

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bizarre_coincidence t1_iw7v8jz wrote

Unless you are witnessing events firsthand, you have to trust someone to tell you what the facts are. If two information sources disagree on what the facts are, you either don’t know what to believe or you come up with your own process to decide which source to believe.

Facts may be objective, but we very rarely come up against facts. Rather, we come up against claims of facts, and we cannot independently assess whether these claims are true. We can only ask if they are consistent with other things we believe are true, or are consistent with other sources that we trust, and this is an imperfect strategy.

Even scientific facts which are in principle verifiable might not be in practice. And since science makes plenty of counterintuitive claims, there is legitimate reason to be skeptical of things that are known to be factual.

The point is that it isn’t that simple. We take for granted that we know what the facts are, and that they are self evident. The truth is much more complicated.

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EdoTve t1_iw7fg08 wrote

Does snopes only post aseptic facts 100% of the time?

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shadowrun456 t1_iw7gem5 wrote

Can you link a specific example where snopes presented untrue information as fact?

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EdoTve t1_iw7gr44 wrote

I concede that I do not know as I'm not american and do not follow snopes, but is it wrong in general to assume that a singular outlet is not an absolute source of truth?

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CosmicDave t1_iw7ld7y wrote

We are talking about facts. You keep using the word "assume". That's not how facts are found.

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MattVanAndel t1_iw8iyx8 wrote

The thing is, Snopes shows their work. If you think their result is fishy, incomplete, inaccurate etc you can follow all their citations and reasonings.

I’d argue: it’s safe to say that Snopes acts in good faith, which is distinctly different than calling them a “source of truth”. They aggregate and digest available factual sources, and are not afraid to update their assessments when available facts change. It’s a very different thing than being a “source of truth” themselves; it’s more scientific than that.

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Pushmonk t1_iw9q7jr wrote

Ahhh, so you have absolutely no clue what you're talking about. That makes sense.

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BodhiRomeo t1_iw7jz37 wrote

The fact you need someone to link publicly available information is sad. Snopes uses opinion pieces to claim studies are false quite often. Studies aren't facts they are studies, disagreeing with the study isn't misinformation but saying a study is misinformation is denying science... Yes snopes failed the scientific method and posts misinformation quite often. Snopes is not a reliable source of information.

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shadowrun456 t1_iw7l6ad wrote

The fact that you can't link a single example to back up your claim, so instead you repeat the same claim in several different ways as if that would make any difference, is even sadder.

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MattVanAndel t1_iw8k9pp wrote

They posted one link to a biased right-wing propaganda site that, itself, demonstrates how Snopes acts in good faith based on all currently available data. Said article attempts to spin that as a bad thing.

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Buckscience t1_iw7qm27 wrote

The burden of proof is on the accuser. You've stated they are objectively not a a reliable source of information. That is your assertion to make, but you don't get to just tell others "oh, go look it up", and expect that to be taken as proof of your assertion.

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Extension-Ad-2760 t1_iw8g8qg wrote

Tell you something. I previously assumed that snopes was generally reliable, but as everything, should be taken with a decent bit of salt. The fact that you can't provide a single example of where they're unreliable really increases my trust in them.

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Sweet_Musician4586 t1_iw7wxz8 wrote

They also misrepresent quotes and information often in their conclusions to come to a politically biased end. You could see this a lot with trump and joe biden

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Pushmonk t1_iw9q4s0 wrote

They link to all of their sources. You can go check them yourself.

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whichpricktookmyname t1_iwyfa7j wrote

>You either agree with the facts, or you fall into the misinformation category.

Imagine positing this to, of all places, a board that is supposedly about science.

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Fun-Dog-6459 t1_iwair8q wrote

And I'm always right. Why would anyone else not want me king of the world?

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shadowrun456 t1_iw7g5b6 wrote

>You either agree with snopes or you fall in the misinformation category, by axiom.

What would you suggest should have been used instead of snopes then?

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Sweet_Musician4586 t1_iw7w5kj wrote

Actual statements of fact or even quotes from politicians not edited for political bias for other side or the other.

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shadowrun456 t1_iw856rg wrote

>Actual statements of fact or even quotes from politicians not edited for political bias for other side or the other.

So, Snopes?

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Sweet_Musician4586 t1_iw7vroh wrote

They dont "feel" snopes is not reliable either. Snopes is politically biased and posts misleading "facts" as their conclusion with the evidence in the explanation many times. Snopes was widely trusted by many people including myself previously as a fact checker and I feel angry and that "fact checkers" like this and politifact can be held to such a high standard when they are so biased.

For example I dont love trump ok, but when you push lies about him to make people more fearful of his administration you're not helping anyone. You're not informing anyone.

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oep4 t1_iw7bz6c wrote

At least they explain why they rate whether a source is a lie, not or in between. All you’ve got is a statement

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murderedbyaname t1_iw7e5rr wrote

That's what people say when their false political posts are refuted with actual fact.

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thruster_fuel69 t1_iw7grbn wrote

No thats what people say when... ok just stop with this superficial understanding of people. It's too complicated a topic to say dumb things like "that's what people say when.."

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murderedbyaname t1_iw8002j wrote

I have had numerous people say that, when presented with facts. They immediately jump to "well Snopes is run by (insert political opposition), it's well known, so-and-so said so". That so called expert is always a fringe political editorialist who has said laughably false statements that can be proven as false. Snopes cites sources for every case at the bottom of the pages. And as far as my "superficial understanding of people", bold statement to make about someone you don't know. Personal attacks speculating on the experience or qualifications of someone are always a last ditch effort to stop a perceived attack. Which I did not do to you, so it's interesting that you have jumped right to that, and that you are having such an emotional reaction to my statement. Perhaps you should examine that.

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thruster_fuel69 t1_iw80ce2 wrote

I'm not making wide ranging statements about human behavior, just reading your words and deciphering your intent. I stand by my analysis. You tried to make a mean point with a gross over generalization, now you're evading the fact and attacking me. It's cute, and loudly proclaims your intent.

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