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MTL_t3k t1_itzttwk wrote

Not surprised to see research on intermittant fasting, keto's slightly less idiotic diet fad cousin, on r/science.

Notably, one of the 'IF' strategies, labeled 'TRE', or time-restricted eating, goes by another name in most parts of the world: Eating.

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Potential_Limit_9123 t1_iu0gw26 wrote

Bummer. I've been keto since 1/1/14 and started IF and long term fasting about 1.5 years late. I wonder, when does this stop being a "fad"?

Even when I started keto, I ate 5+ meals/snacks a day, as that's what we're taught to do. When I started fasting, I initially tried butter in my coffee, then skipped lunch. Then I tried skipping breakfast. That was 5+ years ago, and I haven't eaten breakfast unless we're on vacation since then.

I typically eat two meals a day. When I fast lately, I fast about 32 hours, exercise about 1-2 hours, then eat a few hours later. Eating 2-3+ hours after exercise is my normal now.

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MTL_t3k t1_iu0r7un wrote

No one cares what you were 'taught' by some idiot on youtube.

Effect of a plant-based, low-fat diet versus an animal-based, ketogenic diet on ad libitum energy intake
https://www.nature.com/articles/s41591-020-01209-1

This was a short-term dietary ward experiment. Even though the keto diet groups lost ~0.7 lb more weight (Fig 2g), they lost ~1.5 lb more lean mass (Fig 2h) and ended up with ~1 lb more fat mass relative to the low-fat diet groups (Fig 2i). The keto diet groups did worse across the board in terms of health bio-markers. Basically keto resulted in significantly higher cholesterol, reduced insulin sensitivity, higher uric acid, impaired thyroid function and being skinny-fat. And all of that in less than a month. No wonder the idiots who advocate for it also advocate starving to try to compensate.

Ketogenic Diets and Chronic Disease: Weighing the Benefits Against the Riskshttps://www.frontiersin.org/articles/10.3389/fnut.2021.702802/

"Given often-temporary improvements, unfavorable effects on dietary intake, and inadequate data demonstrating long-term safety, for most individuals, the risks of ketogenic diets may outweigh the benefits."

Regarding keto, there is literally no legitimate research showing long-term health benefits from following this idiotic eating pattern, and what little research there is suggests it can be harmful long-term. That is why no professional nutrition or dietetics association recommends it, and most actially caution against it.

Regarding intermittant fasting, as noted in the previous comment, the most common form is eating within an eight hour window, or what is known in most parts of the world as regular eating. Presumably, calling it by some other name adds some element of novelty to the research.

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Sorrow_cutter t1_iu2gy3m wrote

We call it skipping breakfast.

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MTL_t3k t1_iu2oins wrote

No need to even skip breakfast. Have breakfast at 10 AM and dinner at 6PM and you are IF'ing, or, as we commomers like to call it, eating .

Even the researchers are admitting that their research is useless. From the article:

"No changes were observed in the level of estradiol, estrone and progesterone in post-menoapusal women after the eight-week regimen.

Speaking to the utility of the data, Varady said, “I think this is a great first step. We’ve observed thousands of pre- and post-menopausal women through different alternate-day fasting and time-restricted eating strategies.”

“All it’s doing is making people eat less. By shortening that eating window, you’re just naturally cutting calories. Much of the negative information on IF reported has come from studies on mice or rats. We need more studies to look at the effects of intermittent fasting on humans,” she concluded."

There are a lot more effective ways to consume less calories than starving oneself. One could consume an abundance of whole plant-foods (other than a few high fat ones like nuts, seeds, avocados) that would be calorically dilute yet satiating. Of course, one cannot do that on the idiotic keto diet, which is why its adherents resort to intermittant starvation.

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