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LeonardSmallsJr t1_is0iapd wrote

My understanding of schadenfreude has always been a more general idea of pleasure in misfortune of unknown others. Like seeing a passerby trip and fall, I equate it with a brief respite from self-pity. Trump causing so much harm from anti-vax messaging and then getting sick is more like direct “just desserts”. When a bully goes around punching people and finally gets punched back, is that schadenfreude or just that specific guy getting what he deserves?

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SueSudio t1_is13s5r wrote

I was just wondering that myself. "Just desserts" is an apt analogy, and I think there is a slight difference between that and schadenfreude.

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troubletlb1 t1_is1yj40 wrote

"just desserts" isn't bad, that extra 900 atk could be a game changer.

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MilesCW t1_is1pdnq wrote

> My understanding of schadenfreude has always been a more general idea of pleasure in misfortune of unknown others.

This is what it actually means. Schaden means "damage" loosely translated, with "freude" obviously "pleasure". Taking pleasure of other's damage/misery.

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throwawayLindaLavin t1_is1agum wrote

It's spelled "deserts" when used in that sense. I figured I'd mention it because everything else is well written and this is an odd one.

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travelling-through t1_is1cuj6 wrote

a needed correction, people will start and continue using it this way if nobody ever points this out

and that would annoy the likes of me

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UnshelteredInstincts t1_is3jc62 wrote

Schadenfreude is the feeling of joy you get from someone else's pain, as you and someone else said. Trump getting COVID wasn't schadenfreude, but many people (myself included) experienced schadenfreude from the knowledge that Trump was getting his just deserts.

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thisUbEaccount t1_is36vpz wrote

Yeah, kinda like how good it felt when those people demanding we strip away peoples rights and demonize anyone who didn't believe the obvious lies, when they still needed up getting and spreading covid to people who were fully vaxxed and boosted. Oh how the smugness fell.

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[deleted] t1_is2zpom wrote

These vaccines don't prevent people from getting sick though. That's why Democrats literally changed the definition of 'vaccine' in the formal sense. These vaccines only lessen the symptoms, supposedly, and may come with severe side effects or even death down the line. It's kind of a pick-your-poison scenario, imo.

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cthechartreuse t1_is380oz wrote

The definition of vaccine has not been changed. There is a formal definition which has been pretty consistent since the discovery that inoculating people with cowpox could boost the immune response against smallpox (cow <-> vaca -> vaccine)

It's worth noting that the flu vaccine does not stop all variants of influenza either. The notion that a vaccine will magically stop any and all variants of a virus is naive.

Also, since you did no homework, here's the definition of vaccine:

https://letmegooglethat.com/?q=vaccine+definition

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[deleted] t1_is3uctk wrote

The CDC did change their definition of 'vaccine' and 'vaccination'.

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"Social media is calling bluff on the Centers for Disease Control and Prevention for modifying its definition of the words “vaccine” and “vaccination” on its website. Before the change, the definition for “vaccination” read, “the act of introducing a vaccine into the body to produce immunity to a specific disease.” Now, the word “immunity” has been switched to “protection.” The term “vaccine” also got a makeover. The CDC’s definition changed from “a product that stimulates a person’s immune system to produce immunity to a specific disease” to the current “a preparation that is used to stimulate the body’s immune response against diseases.”

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https://www.miamiherald.com/news/coronavirus/article254111268.html

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https://www.journalinquirer.com/opinion/chris_powell/vaccine-definition-was-changed-as-covid-19-virus-shots-weakened/article_e36de93e-7226-11ec-a67f-e3b8d07df769.html

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cthechartreuse t1_is3yw9s wrote

This is interesting information.

I did a little deeper digging to see what I could find about vaccines and breakthrough infections. It turns out there are a number of diseases which have breakthrough infections including, but not limited to, COVID-19, influenza, mumps, and chickenpox.

Most recently, a smallpox vaccine has been used to stimulate the immune system to fight monkeypox, which has seen breakthroughs in France.

I wonder whether COVID-19 was the genesis of the change, or simply the final straw.

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