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sfzombie13 t1_iu8lvdk wrote
pv - photovoltaic. took way longer than i care to admit, and saw the title of the publication, to figure that out.
ChiralWolf t1_iu8ru4r wrote
Terrible article. Basically just comes down to "different locations will be apply to implement solar more efficiently by using different techniques".
Even for the spacing their findings are actually "between 4.83 and 7.34 meters" which isn't huge difference. Depending on the panel size a 7 meter gap could easily hold an entire additional panel.
trollsmurf t1_iu8thz9 wrote
Or use passive heat pipes with heat sinks.
JKJ420 t1_iu8zesd wrote
The linked site is full of "articles" disguised as paid advertisement. You shouldn't even bother reading them.
badpeaches t1_iu92h0u wrote
Are heat sinks as cost effective as shade?
WhileNotLurking t1_iu974h6 wrote
Shade.... over a panel that needs to collect sun?
Robert2737 t1_iu97q6u wrote
Can u grow crops between panels?
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giuliomagnifico OP t1_iu98fq1 wrote
I don’t think but a good way to use the space near the solar panels is to use the land as grazing space for goats/cows/sheep/etc… because it’s cold during the summer (not direct sunlight) and the condensation creates water droplets that slip to the ground and help the grass!
I read it on another study: https://extension.umn.edu/news/solar-panels-shade-grazing-pasture
calmatt t1_iu98tgj wrote
Bruh tell me youre trolling
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bkubicek t1_iu9g8ss wrote
One would gain nearly the same by increasing the thermal emissivity of the gront glass by a plastic coating. Howrver, it would weather soonish and might develop browning. Or by adding plastic cooling ribs on the backside, no need for metal since the bottleneck is the air transition, not the material conduction.
Plasma_Keystrokes t1_iu9h9tk wrote
My thought is indigenous plants and beehives
chris92315 t1_iu9j4yy wrote
You can grow crops between and under panels. Look up agrovoltaics.
Oscar-Wilde-1854 t1_iu9l54z wrote
But have we thought about just putting them underground?
irongamer t1_iu9m74k wrote
Depends on the location and install, but agrovoltaics is getting increasingly more attention. Like this project that is breaking ground in Oregon.
Sands43 t1_iu9mfq5 wrote
There are crops that can be grown under them. Ones that require hand harvesting like some fruits.
bradleykent t1_iu9rasw wrote
You gotta keep ‘em separated.
Glittering_Cow945 t1_iu9rka9 wrote
Well, only if the space the cells are on is extremely cheap conpared to the cells themselves..
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Miserable-Expert-119 t1_iu9z0av wrote
Yes. There are a few articles scatted about the internet on this subject. There seems to be success with crops growing in areas that would be normally too hot and sunny. Pilot testing shows crops like strawberries do well. Irrigation can be cut back a bit has evaporation is a bit less. The tricky bit would be mechanizing this kind of agriculture without having to design new machines that can work between the rows and under the panels. Doable but may need work. However, if one owned a house with a decent yard it would make more sense to install a panel array in your garden. For instance your roof is not likely to be at both the optimum angle or direction for the sun. In your garden the mounts can be set at the optimum angle and optimum direction. Panels are cheaper to install on the ground than on a roof. Panels run cooler on the ground so you get that extra 1 or 2 % of power. You can clean the panels yourself by squeegeeing instead of hiring somebody to go up on the roof.
bit1101 t1_iua3bno wrote
Do you mean paid ads disguised as articles?
screwhammer t1_iua4gk3 wrote
You can, but you're gonna have to put tiny humans instead of wide machines to harvest them, you're gonna have to design some special irrigation that won't damage the panels, and you're gonna have to account for people occasionallt banging with sharp tools against glass or cutting cables.
That's gotta be some expensive crop to maintain.
Grimij t1_iua6m1a wrote
If you need to increase the spacing by 500% to improve LCOE by ~2% that's dumb, I'm sorry.
I come from Ag Land California, planting crops between solar rows simply isn't feasible. You need a very dry and clean panels for them to be effective and efficient, but with the amount of moisture, dirt, corrosive fertilizer, and herbicide/pesticide sprays makes the absolute worst environment to put solar.
Building lean-to shelters for pumps, equipment, or overall packing with solar is great, though.
getdafuq t1_iuaactp wrote
In some places it’s actually a great place to grow crops that can’t handle getting blasted by the sun all day.
king44 t1_iuafln6 wrote
You know it's kinda hard just to get along today
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Impressive_Strike605 t1_iual9it wrote
Verticals solar panels will probably work best.
bradleykent t1_iuaois1 wrote
Our subject isn't cool but he fakes it anyway
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RealCajunKoala t1_iuazvsg wrote
This company has a very cool agrovoltaic product.
Knowssomething t1_iub8umv wrote
I suppose it depends on whether space or number of panels is your limiting factor. Hypothetically if you had a hill to build a solar farm on you could cover it in solar panels. But you might have a whole hill and 500 panels so in that case the spacing could play a much bigger factor.
mysticalfruit t1_iubcaju wrote
One's on a slope, the others in a gulch.
One's powers wasted and the others a waste.
Is gonna splice your own cables..
adrianmonk t1_iubm1a3 wrote
>If you need to increase the spacing by 500% to improve LCOE by ~2% that's dumb, I'm sorry.
That's not what the study says, is it? At least not according to the way I read the article.
It seems like there is a trade-off between the cost of land and the energy output, and their analysis tells you where the sweet spot is in the middle. From the article:
> Through the modeling, the group ascertained that the optimal levelized cost of energy (LCOE) point was $0.29/kWh, with row spacing varying between 4.83 and 7.34 meters. With two-meter spacing, the LCOE was $0.33/kWh, and with 11 meters it was $0.36/kWh.
Note that very close spacing (2m) and very wide spacing (11m) are both worse than intermediate spacing (4.83-7.34m).
They mentioned agriculture, but I don't think their analysis takes that into account. I think it's just a perk that they're throwing out there as a conceivable side benefit of wider spacing.
start3ch t1_iubpeu9 wrote
Wouldn’t spaced out solar above pasture land work?
danbln t1_iucghng wrote
In my experience it works well with organically grown perennial crops that benefit from noon shade(many berries do for example). And also for grazing, especially by sheep as they don't tend to mess with the panels.
Desktopaccount13a t1_iucgzkm wrote
LCOE.
Latent Cost of Equity
Latest Cuarterly Operating Earnings.
RedditorsArGrb t1_iucn0cb wrote
This is a brief summary of some NREL research linked in the article that anyone really interested in the details can go read.
>Depending on the panel size a 7 meter gap could easily hold an entire additional panel.
Doesn't really matter if that erases your profit margin. It's niche techno-economic research to improve cost modeling efforts, you don't need to have some incisive perspective on the subject or complain that the studied effects aren't big enough to interest you.
RebelWithoutAClue t1_iucp037 wrote
You probably make a bigger improvement in what the back panel receives with bifacing panels if you open up the spacing than you get in lower operating temp.
skyfishgoo t1_iucv8wh wrote
not goats.
goats are evil.
giuliomagnifico OP t1_iucvin2 wrote
Chupacabras are evil, goat are funny, jus a bit stinky
dalitpidated t1_iud216q wrote
As temperature decreases, voltage increases, increasing the overall wattage. Its quite dramatic, a system at 150F will operate at 240V and at -20F will rise to 600V. As far as predicting airflow in various outdoor conditions? Sounds like the Science guys were running tests on the mushrooms again. You could probably net better results in manufacturing ground mounted panels to better vent the air they ate in contact with. The Building Codes make it difficult to engineer practical passive cooling on roof mounted systems.
DGrey10 t1_iuhqooo wrote
Definitely good horticulture opportunities.
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