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gotchostupidass t1_ir4rj9t wrote

Reply to comment by Fantastic_Beans in Study: Shifting to Plant-Based Diet Important for Colorectal Cancer Prevention by BoundariesAreFun

There’s absolutely nothing wrong with eating non-processed meat, especially leaner cuts. What leads to most of the health issues we have today such as obesity is overconsumption of food. There are various types of diets that are perfectly healthy as long as you aren’t consuming over your metabolic rate. Going into a caloric surplus and becoming overweight is where most of our problems are.

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rootmonkey t1_ir50w2i wrote

My father is suffering from colon cancer. I’ve been trying to make changes to my own diet. I’ve traditionally eaten lunch meat daily for many years due to convenience. I cut it out of my diet lately, and could be a coincidence but my bowel irritably has really improved. having his colon removed plus chemo did remove my fathers cancer but the cancer should up elsewhere later. Would be nice to have a cure, but preventing is better.

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IngsocInnerParty t1_ir5flai wrote

> Would be nice to have a cure, but preventing is better.

Make sure to see a gastroenterologist and see if they want you to start yearly colonoscopies. They may also want to test you for Lynch Syndrome.

My mother had colon cancer and Lynch Syndrome. I had genetic testing done and found I have it too, so they want me to get a colonoscopy every year.

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rootmonkey t1_ir5j74y wrote

Thanks for the tip, hope you avoid it. I’ve had one colonoscopy and have another planned this year. My sibiling has chrons.. so something I need to stay on top of. Sadly my father was getting regular colonoscopies but it didn’t catch it in time to avoid removing the colon. Will be nice with blood tests are the standard or supplement the other screenings.

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gotchostupidass t1_ir5j6ec wrote

I’m sorry to hear about your father. I’m glad that he’s still here and that they were able to do something about. If I can suggest any changes to your diet, make sure that you have adequate fiber consumption. The weak association with colon cancer that is found with red meat consumption seems to be negated by adequate fiber consumption in studies.

And of course processed meats like lunch meat have clear association as carcinogens, like lunch meats, bacon, some sausages etc, so if you’re willing to cut them out that’s great! And the fact that you feel better if even better even if it isn’t due to cutting it. Do what feels best for you. If you’re a healthy individual, I wouldn’t be too scared of unprocessed lean cuts of red meat if you tolerate it okay. Always be sure to get your levels checked regularly, I believe every 5 years is what recommended but I try to go in once a year.

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sufjanfan t1_ir5eyi5 wrote

Do you have a good source on that I can read?

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gotchostupidass t1_ir5hg4f wrote

To start, here’s a great article on what causes obesity (overconsumption) : https://www.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/pmc/articles/PMC8450866/

Here is a great study on the major health risks of obesity : https://www.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/pmc/articles/PMC6088226/

When it comes to studies on red meat, association is not very strong on red meat being inherently cancer-causing (https://www.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/pmc/articles/PMC7015455/), and for those who are concerned, adequate fiber consumption seems to cancel out the risk: https://www.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/pmc/articles/PMC4588743/

Processed meats are obviously great to avoid, and you should watch your saturated fat consumption just because it does nothing to help your LDL to HDL cholesterol ratio, but generally eating lean meat (red or not) isn’t going to be a problem for a normal healthy individual. It’s one of the most nutrient dense foods you can get. For someone like me who is trying to gain muscle, it’s an amazing protein source as well. For people who are trying to lose weight, lean cuts of red meat would be greatly assisting as eating nutrient dense foods while in a caloric deficit helps with hunger cues and makes you feel more satiated. To demonize unprocessed lean meat is just flat out wrong.

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sufjanfan t1_ir7o01b wrote

>What leads to most of the health issues we have today such as obesity is overconsumption of food.

I was asking for a source on overconsumption being "most of the health issues we have today". Unless you were just talking about obesity.

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gotchostupidass t1_ir7ss30 wrote

I am referring precisely to obesity, which is caused by overconsumption. Sorry for the lack of clarity there.

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Fantastic_Beans t1_ir4w5u4 wrote

Red meat is particularly bad for you, and eating it every day is definitely not healthy. Chicken and fish every day is fine. But not every single meal.

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gotchostupidass t1_ir5jn8k wrote

Lean cuts of unprocessed red meat have weak associations with colon cancer and CVD in studies. Chicken and fish are great of course, but not as nutrient dense as red meat, outside of fish like salmon. As long as you are getting your levels checked on a regular basis (every 5 years recommended), and you tolerate red meat, and you are a healthy individual who doesn’t overconsume calories, you will be okay eating red meat. And also, the weak association with colon cancer seems to be completely negates with adequate fiber consumption.

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