kilranian t1_iucg08q wrote
Reply to comment by ribnag in Companies’ ‘deforestation-free’ supply chain pledges have barely impacted forest clearance in the Amazon by thebelsnickle1991
Except you have it exactly backwards. We don't choose how the world is built or what is produced. "Voting with your dollar" as an idea is ludicrous.
And public transit? You have to be out of your head. Outside of dense cities, public transport in the US is an afterthought, at best.
nef36 t1_iucphdw wrote
Public transit is an afterthought in the US because the American automotive and oil industries lobby to keep it that way so people will buy more cars and gasoline.
kilranian t1_iuefcp3 wrote
Exactly. It has nothing to do with consumer choice.
worotan t1_iucs7ez wrote
Reduce demand, reduce supply, first law of economics.
The one thing that scares companies and governments is a well-organised boycott - it’s the one thing they can’t deal with, as has been long-demonstrated.
You just don’t want to give up your lifestyle, and have excuses that have been astroturfed for you to use.
Climate scientists disagree with you, and say that the only way to deal with climate change is for a significant reduction in peoples consumption. You’re just playing the game where you say that companies have to do it, so that they can say that consumers have to prompt them to do it, and you all carry on as though you’ve addressed the question, as the planet burns harder each year.
You’re the idiots people look back on in history and say, why didn’t they just stop doing the unnecessary social things that caused the disaster?
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ribnag t1_iuctnse wrote
We are how the world is built and what is produced.
Look - I'll offer an olive branch here: You're right that POU is a tiny fraction of our total environmental footprint as a species (10-15% gets mentioned often). You'd be absolutely correct in saying that taking shorter showers is a drop in the bucket vs almond farming in the frickin' desert.
But all that overhead, from mining to manufacturing to shipping to that god-awful clamshell packaging (also made of oil)... Is still only because we demanded that iPhone, those almonds, that Hummer.
Not a single gigaton of supply-side emissions are because the evil manufacturing industry "wants" to make iPhones. They want to make money, and for our part, we can't throw it at them fast enough regardless of how awful their products are for the environment.
kilranian t1_iuefkeq wrote
You're rewriting history. No one demanded the iPhone.
What kind of backwards nonsense is it to claim consumers want plastic clamshell packaging? That's just profit motive. It's all supply side.
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