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QuietGanache t1_jc2duto wrote

Reply to comment by Ill_Marsupial8785 in Natural Behaviour Is Not Enough: Farm Animal Welfare Needs Modern Answers to Tinbergen’s Four Questions by Meatrition

>Humans will look back on animal agriculture with the same disgust that we look back on the slave trade.

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I hope not, because I believe it will represent a loss of understanding of the horrors of slavery. I'm reminded of the ADL reaction to PETA trying to compare the consumption of meat to the Holocaust:

>Rather than deepen our revulsion against what the Nazis did to the Jews, the project will undermine the struggle to understand the Holocaust and to find ways to make sure such catastrophes never happen again.
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>Abusive treatment of animals should be opposed, but cannot and must not be compared to the Holocaust. The uniqueness of human life is the moral underpinning for those who resisted the hatred of Nazis and others ready to commit genocide even today.

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Ill_Marsupial8785 t1_jc2g78y wrote

So, what would you say to the holocaust survivors who argued for veganism because of the similarities of animal agriculture to the holocaust? For example, books of survivors described the animal agriculture industry as an "eternal treblinka."

How about we go by the objective merits of comparisons/contrasts rather than appealing to emotion to dilute the horrors of the animal ag industry?

The animal ag industry by act IS slavery. The animal ag industry IS by definition a holocaust.

We don't diminish the horrors of The Holocaust by recognizing the suffering that animals go through.

Nearly a trillion animals each year endure a death of suffocation, throat slitting, gas chambers, etc. 1 God damn trillion. That means more animals endure a horrific death annually than nearly 10 times the amount of humans that EVER existed.

The question isn't "can they reason" but "can they suffer" and that is a resounding YES. 1 trillion of them can suffer, and the majority do so. In our capacity to suffer, a cow is a pig is a dog is a boy.

1 trillion beings, annually. Do ypu actually think you can comprehend the objective suffering going on there? I can't.

I'm tired of hearing "you can't compare it to this" when the only reason is the human ego. The numbers aren't on your side to say that.

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QuietGanache t1_jc2h9y9 wrote

I'm sorry but to compare the modern methods used to slaughter animals to the raw barbarism of the Holocaust betrays a grotesque ignorance. There are centres for Holocaust education around the globe with plenty of free resources, I highly recommend that you educate yourself so that you can effectively contribute to ensuring such an outrage against humanity never happens again (you don't even have to be active but you can still help by not making such diminishing comparisons).

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