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tjleewilliams t1_je2k99c wrote
I'm just learning that this movement exists, and I view it as tantamount to the anti-vaxxers/anti-maskers. It's easier to just deny the truth than to change their behavior so that's the route they take, but that doesn't mean we have to accept that idiocy as a valid alternate version of the truth.
arrozconfrijol t1_je3hots wrote
Health at any size is exactly what the study says! The healthy lifestyle changes created positive outcomes, even if the weight was gained back.
Heal at every size simply means that “health” and “healthy behaviors” are available to people no matter what their size is. You can be 400 pounds and start a workout routine, you can quit smoking, you can eat foods that make you feel nourished and good, you can go to a therapist and heal your eating disorder, you can meditate, you can practice self love, etc. And by focusing on things other than weight loss you can get to a healthier place without the psychological damage that focusing on only numbers on a scale can hace.
But everyone is different and everyone’s issues with food are different. Some people thrive on being bullied and proving people wrong, some people are very very hurt by that and it has the opposite effect. Health at every size provides a more gentle and holistic approach to working towards a healthier body. No matter what size that body is.
Sculptasquad t1_je3jxnb wrote
>But everyone is different and everyone’s issues with food are different. Some people thrive on being bullied and proving people wrong, some people are very very hurt by that and it has the opposite effect. Health at every size provides a more gentle and holistic approach to working towards a healthier body. No matter what size that body is.
While telling people anti-science like"you can be healthy at 400 pounds". We know this isn't true. All other factors being equal, being obese raises the risk of heart disease by 28%.
https://academic.oup.com/eurheartj/article/39/5/397/4081012?login=false
It also does not help that obesity increases the risk of other issues like: Diabetes, Cancer and Arthritis.
https://www.who.int/news-room/fact-sheets/detail/obesity-and-overweight
arrozconfrijol t1_je3l78s wrote
Please read my comment again. I didn’t say you can “be healthy at 400 pounds,” I said you can be 400 and engage in healthy behaviors: like eating better, working out, etc. And even if you don’t lose 200 pounds, your health will probably improve. It’s not too far from that the study in this link is showing.
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arrozconfrijol t1_je3gk6m wrote
Have you read any books on “health at any size”? Do you know what it’s basic ideas are?
Sculptasquad t1_je3ksvs wrote
No. Yes.
"Weight Inclusivity: Accept and respect the inherent diversity of body shapes and sizes and reject the idealizing or pathologizing of specific weights."
This is anti-science. The available data indicates that obesity raises risks of most diseases.
"Health Enhancement: Support health policies that improve and equalize access to information and services, and personal practices that improve human well-being, including attention to individual physical, economic, social, spiritual, emotional, and other needs."
But they want to suppress information regarding how much a healthy person should weigh.
"Respectful Care: Acknowledge our biases, and work to end weight discrimination, weight stigma, and weight bias. Provide information and services from an understanding that socio-economic status, race, gender, sexual orientation, age, and other identities impact weight stigma, and support environments that address these inequities."
There is certainly a weight stigma, just like there is a smoking stigma and a concussion stigma. None of these preventable factors promote health.
"Eating for Well-being: Promote flexible, individualized eating based on hunger, satiety, nutritional needs, and pleasure, rather than any externally regulated eating plan focused on weight control."
Hunger is a a horrible metric for healthy eating since obese people are hungrier than a healthy person. This is partly why people without discipline find it so difficult to lose weight. "But I was hungry".
"Life-Enhancing Movement: Support physical activities that allow people of all sizes, abilities, and interests to engage in enjoyable movement, to the degree that they choose.”
This is cool. but the biggest intervention regarding weight loss is dietary. You can always eat more calories than you burn.
arrozconfrijol t1_je4xdyv wrote
I hope at the very least you see that “health at every size” is not just saying people saying “I’m healthy!” no matter what size they are and the lifestyle they have. It’s a movement with specific tenets aimed at making healthy behaviors and health accessible to everyone. Specially to people who are usually treated pretty terribly by society at large, which is has dramatic consequences all around for a lot of people.
https://www.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/pmc/articles/PMC6565398/
I also encourage you to look into the complex issue of diets, and how most of them don’t work in the long term.
https://health.osu.edu/wellness/exercise-and-nutrition/that-diet-probably-did-not-work
https://newsroom.ucla.edu/releases/Dieting-Does-Not-Work-UCLA-Researchers-7832
A lot of people, specially people who have weight issues from a young age, spend their whole lives on and off diets, in a constant cycle of weight gain and loss that destroys their metabolisms.
This approach has the potential to avoid that, and lead to actual sustained health physical benefits and better mental health outcomes.
https://nutritionj.biomedcentral.com/articles/10.1186/1475-2891-10-9
hesaidhehadab_gdick t1_je2931n wrote
call me fatphobic all you want but you should strive to be at a healthy weight. If you have some medical condition thats one thing but to allow yourself to get that big otherwise isnt okay and we shouldnt be suprised that losing that excess is good for us.
Wagamaga OP t1_je10lxy wrote
Losing weight with lifestyle changes in an intensive behavioral weight loss program was associated with a decrease in risk factors for cardiovascular disease and Type 2 diabetes for at least five years — even if some weight was regained, according to a systematic review of research, published today in Circulation: Cardiovascular Quality and Outcomes, a peer-reviewed American Heart Association journal.
People affected by obesity or who are overweight are at increased risk for high cholesterol and high blood pressure — factors that heighten risk of cardiovascular disease; as well as insulin resistance, a precursor to Type 2 diabetes. Globally, overweight and obesity contributed to 2.4 million deaths in 2020, according to the American Heart Association’s 2023 Statistical Update.
Behavioral weight loss programs can help people lose and maintain a healthy weight by encouraging lifestyle and behavior changes, such as eating healthy foods and increasing physical activity. Regaining some weight is common after behavioral weight loss programs. Some observational studies suggest this weight change pattern of weight loss followed by weight regain may increase cardiovascular risk. However, according to the authors of this analysis, data from randomized trials and long-term follow-up studies is lacking.
“Many doctors and patients recognize that weight loss is often followed by weight regain, and they fear that this renders an attempt to lose weight pointless,” said study co-senior author Susan A. Jebb, Ph.D., a professor of diet and population health at the University of Oxford in the United Kingdom. “This concept has become a barrier to offering support to people to lose weight. For people with overweight or obesity issues, losing weight is an effective way to reduce the risk of Type 2 diabetes and cardiovascular disease.”
https://www.ahajournals.org/doi/10.1161/CIRCOUTCOMES.122.009348
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Silver-Antelope-1285 t1_je57yax wrote
The accessibility to high caloric food is far too easy. You've got no reason to consume 300+ extra calories daily if your body simply doesn't need it.
orangutanoz t1_je2hzff wrote
I have been wearing gym shorts and track pants for a few years due to weight gain. I haven’t bought bigger trousers or jeans for thirty years and I’m not about to. I’m about two months away from being fit again but I’ll be going back yet again for my sixth or seventh ankle surgery. My brothers are fat and there’s nothing wrong with them other than they’re lazy and they eat too much. I don’t get it.
Sculptasquad t1_je3lzli wrote
You have most likely gone from a food addiction to a work-out addiction without proper instruction as to how to do it safely. Excess weight plus vigorous movement puts strain on weak bones(ankles).
Diet interventions are more effective for losing weight.
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orangutanoz t1_je3tbw9 wrote
No, I’ve stayed in shape my whole life but In 2017 I had a work related injury and many operations since and one still pending that will hopefully allow me to walk and balance properly. I eat right but I do love beer so if you’re not able to work it off you will gain weight. I’m able to bike and swim but weight training and treadmill are severely limited do to pain so I do what I can do. I’m currently six kilos overweight down from fifteen which most people think is completely fine but I don’t like carrying extra weight.
Sculptasquad t1_je47b2b wrote
>I’m able to bike and swim but weight training and treadmill are severely limited do to pain so I do what I can do.
And yet obviously not:
>I eat right but I do love beer so if you’re not able to work it off you will gain weight.
The WHO concluded that there is no safe level for consumption of alcohol.
Sculptasquad t1_je15kfj wrote
Prepare yourself, the "healthy at any size"-mob is on it's way. We still have some time since, you know... It takes them a while to get around.
Edit - Seems like they got here.
I find it incredibly sad that you are not allowed to poke harmless fun at a movement that is actively promoting a dangerous lifestyle that contributes to the rampant obesity epidemic.