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marketrent OP t1_jaxj288 wrote

Findings in title quoted from linked^1 and hyperlinked^2 content:

From the linked summary^1 by Jennifer Ouellette:

>In 2016, scientists using muon imaging picked up signals indicating a hidden corridor behind the famous chevron blocks on the north face of the Great Pyramid of Giza in Egypt.

>The following year, the same team detected a mysterious void in another area of the pyramid, believing it could be a hidden chamber.

>Two independent teams of researchers, using two different muon imaging methods, have now successfully mapped out the corridor for the first time, according to a new paper published in the journal Nature Communications.

>As we’ve reported previously, there is a long history of using muons to image archaeological structures, a process made easier because cosmic rays provide a steady supply of these particles.

> 

>For this latest work, one team used muon radiography to map the shape and location of the secret corridor, placing detectors at various points around the pyramid.

>Specifically, they used nuclear emulsion films (supplied by colleagues at Nagoya University in Japan), which can detect particles without an electric power supply.

>A second team deployed three gaseous detectors, or muon telescopes, outside the pyramid, supplied by the Centre for Extragalactic Astronomy (CEA) at Durham University in the UK.

>The results of the two independent analyses confirmed the presence of a corridor-like void.

>The corridor is about 9 meters long (29.5 feet), with a transverse section of 2×2 meters (6.5×6.5 feet), and most likely slopes upward, although where it leads remains a mystery.

From the research article:^2

>In this paper, we report on the first precise analysis of the void found with cosmic-ray muon radiography behind the North Face Chevron and named the ScanPyramids North Face Corridor (NFC).

^1 Scientists have mapped a secret hidden corridor in Great Pyramid of Giza, Jennifer Ouellette for Condé Nast’s Ars Technica, 3 Mar. 2023, https://arstechnica.com/science/2023/03/scientists-have-mapped-a-secret-hidden-corridor-in-great-pyramid-of-giza/

^2 Procureur, S., Morishima, K., Kuno, M. et al. Precise characterization of a corridor-shaped structure in Khufu’s Pyramid by observation of cosmic-ray muons. Nature Communications 14, 1144 (2023). https://doi.org/10.1038/s41467-023-36351-0

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SuspiciousStable9649 t1_jaxpars wrote

Does the mummy’s curse count if you do an endoscopy versus opening a portal big enough to pass through?

Jokes aside, this is really outstanding work.

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NetflixSux247 t1_jaxt5ps wrote

Replying to SuspiciousStable9649 (#2,161,395)

I'm trying to understand the article but i'm struggling. They're saying there's a corridor near h on the first image, but i'm guessing the image doesn't illustrate the corridor?

Do any of the images show a cross section or detail of the corridor being mentioned?

The first image has a red shaded area, that looks interesting, what do we know about it?

On the images showing A and B, is the dotted red the point of discussion?

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noxii3101 t1_jaxue1l wrote

It makes sense right? If they have the ability to create massive voids within the structure, why wouldn't the ancient engineers do that as much as possible to save weight and building materials.

Moreover, if Jean Pierre Houdin is correct, and the great hall is part of a lifting apparatus, it could be possible this same structure is repeated higher up to help lift blocks to the upper levels.

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SuspiciousStable9649 t1_jaxufrk wrote

Replying to NetflixSux247 (#2,161,567)

Yes. (h) is basically not shown. I think location (i) is showing the results of the two studies, with the ellipsis probably being a good indicator of how accurate they can see (as in +/- 1 m as opposed to seeing objects or stone joints). (h) is basically ‘over here somewhere’ but they wanted to emphasize the higher chambers. Edit: (h) has its own map in the black and white image. Pretty small, but easy to get to.

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NetflixSux247 t1_jaxv039 wrote

Replying to SuspiciousStable9649 (#2,161,623)

Ok so correct me if i'm wrong.

The A/B image is the bit behind the chevron, which seems like its about 8m in depth and there's nothing in there because they put a camera through a crack?

And there is a suspected 30m corridor above the grand gallery?

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Sl0w-Plant t1_jaxzi3y wrote

Not really a corridor and more like a tiny crawlspace that no one can crawl in...

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geemoly t1_jay974z wrote

it's too bad they didn't include a legend with the picture. Why have all the markings without a legend to indicate what each are?

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BetaKeyTakeaway t1_jaydagj wrote

Replying to geemoly (#2,162,308)

a) Subterranean chamber

b) Queen's Chamber

c) Grand Gallery

d) King's Chamber

e) Descending passage

f) Ascending passage

g) Robber's tunnel

h) Original entrance (Above which the corridor was found)

i) Big Void (yet to be explored)

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Xbalanque_ t1_jaygxxj wrote

But cranky old Zahi Hawass said there was no hidden space and they would never find anything! Gosh.

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lancelongstiff t1_jaylmdc wrote

Replying to StraightOven4697 (#2,162,405)

It's basically like an X-ray machine - the cosmic rays come from space (they're produced by stars, supernovae etc) on one side of the pyramid and you have a detector on the other side.

The rays (to be precise, muons instead of X-rays) almost always pass through everything. But occasionally they interact with matter and that's enough to work out where the matter is, how much of it there is etc.

Here are some pictures from the people who brought us the Large Hadron Collider.

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StrangeMixtures t1_jazdkta wrote

Great news everyone!! Now we can finally get our hands on the Necronomicon!!

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Double_Distribution8 t1_jazg0tu wrote

Replying to noxii3101 (#2,161,621)

This isn't a massive void, and this isn't about saving weight and building materials...In fact it makes things more complex, and requires giant chevron stones. And also since this feature is at the edge of the outer shell of the pyramid, there isn't much weight above this structure anyway. And the descending corridor below already has effective lintel stones protecting it anyway. So there isn't much weight above, and it doesn't seem to be designed to protect anything below as far as weight goes.

As far as repeated structures go, I personally agree that the corbelled grand gallery does play a role in moving/lifting the giant granite blocks for the "King's Chamber", but that section is higher up than this newly imaged "front door passage". And there are no giant granite stones involved with this level anyway (that we know of).

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Zugas t1_jazuqy5 wrote

The pyramids was part of a “global” Tesla system designed to bring clean electricity to everyone. Proof I have none.

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unique_passive t1_jb03aw5 wrote

Good lord, we’re bombarding a pyramid with cosmic rays?? Have comic books taught us nothing?

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Noobing4fun t1_jb0awqh wrote

Replying to marketrent (#2,161,146)

Forgive my ignorance, but if hidden corridors were discovered as far back as 2016, why aren't they fully explored as yet? I would have thought every nook and cranny of all pyramids would have been fully gone over a long time ago.

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Rustmonger t1_jb0cpdc wrote

If it is the same one I saw a post about the other day, they made their way inside and it was entirely empty. It was simply for structural purposes.

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armchairepicure t1_jb0fmpp wrote

Replying to Noobing4fun (#2,164,874)

The coverage I read (National Geographic) described these voids as structural only and without any speculation that they might be hidden chambers.

If that’s the case, it comes as no surprise that they haven’t been explored. No one wants to make a Pyramid tumble down to check out what is basically a structural feature.

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ethervillage t1_jb0fwm5 wrote

So… why have they not explored this void yet? Especially after over six years now

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FieryDoormouse t1_jb0iy5g wrote

Replying to marketrent (#2,161,146)

This is invaluable, thank you

Is it possible there’s lingering resentment or even distrust over

  • the Temple of Dendur (in NYC, looks smashing, the Met. Museum of Art built a special all glass mega-atrium for it, too),
  • Tut’s Definitely Only Borrowed stuff
  • everything in the Egyptology wing?
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A_Dragon t1_jb0mgh1 wrote

Are these people so underfunded that they couldn’t use a geoimaging machine to get a 3D map of the whole thing? Why is this just being discovered now when this tech has been around for decades?

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rutefoot t1_jb0nwvp wrote

Speaking of measurements. It was standard for tomb corridors to be low in height to make it tough for tomb robbers

This new corridor is much taller suggesting it was only used for construction

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armchairepicure t1_jb0pe7e wrote

Replying to rutefoot (#2,165,420)

The article discussed at length that no one understood how the voids would improve structural engineering. I would hazard that they want to think about that more before doing anything.

I’d also imagine that they’d need approval from the Egyptian government and I would also hazard those approvals might not be forthcoming without an abundance of evidence that any sort of exploration would have zero affect on the structure’s integrity:

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elbae03 t1_jb1dfdz wrote

Wow! So in a way, the 'Aliens' meme is true! (Alien Particles)

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