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Putin_Delenda_Est t1_j768uoe wrote

Probably a good way to get attention for your paper but tidally locked, red dwarf and a 16 day day orbit are probably not ideal.

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F4RM3RR t1_j76t9f4 wrote

Winds on that planet would be insane

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Putin_Delenda_Est t1_j778lcv wrote

New headline: Scientists find windsurfing planet!

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nembajaz t1_j784zgh wrote

And it's only 31 light-years from our asses.

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Memetic1 t1_j79r2n4 wrote

Venus is right next door, and if you don't mind not living on the ground it's pretty habitable given our current technology. You can make graphene from co2, and then you could use that graphene to build more habitat. The sulfuric acid also isn't as much as a problem as people make it out to be. Sulfuric acid H2So4 which is just 2 waters bonded by a sulfur atom. If you have sufficient electricity sulfuric acid can be turned into water. It even has phosphorus which is essential for all life.

If you want to surf the skies Venus would be the target.

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LyleSY t1_j7br8cl wrote

Yes, but robots first please. I’d like things to be very very stable and safe before I buy my ticket

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Memetic1 t1_j7bx7xb wrote

They are sending a few missions to Venus. One of them even utilizes a balloon to stay in the upper atmosphere for an extended period. I would rather see crewed missions to Venus then Mars. Mars has dozens of ways to kill you while the environment in the clouds of Venus is comparatively simple. The only thing that would give me real pause is if we discovered life on Venus.

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sweetnumb t1_j79d91b wrote

If you're referring to your momma's ass, then the other cheek is only a few light-minutes away.

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F4RM3RR t1_j78uxyk wrote

No it’s about convection. With the tidal lock, on side would be much warmer, and the other much colder.

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0002millertime t1_j79mj48 wrote

Well, yeah. It spins exactly once per revolution around the star. This is exactly what the other person was talking about.

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hanlonsaxe t1_j76ywi8 wrote

It would be nice if we used different words for habitable for humans, and habitable for some kind of life in general.

But then no one would click. I guess that could be the title for the chapter in the 22nd century history book about this era.

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LightChaos74 t1_j77i2r4 wrote

Sorry, what do you mean by no one would click? Like it wouldn't work all together?

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ogorangeduck t1_j77mizv wrote

Nobody would read the article (click on it to read past the headline)

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rogerdanafox t1_j7al6ba wrote

Are you familiar with the term Clickbait?

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LightChaos74 t1_j7c6nwf wrote

Yeah, for some reason I didn't put that together til after I commented. Not sure where I was at mentally

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marketrent OP t1_j78zbhx wrote

>hanlonsaxe

>It would be nice if we used different words for habitable for humans, and habitable for some kind of life in general.

>But then no one would click. I guess that could be the title for the chapter in the 22nd century history book about this era.

Who is ‘we’?

Do you mean that the majority of users in r/science may not read linked content, or excerpts in comments?

Do you also mean that such users need in-title explanations for scientific words?

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marketrent OP t1_j783met wrote

>Putin_Delenda_Est

>Probably a good way to get attention for your paper but tidally locked, red dwarf and a 16 day day orbit are probably not ideal.

Top-level comment may indicate user(s) who do not read comments preceding theirs.

From the linked summary^1 for D. Kossakowski, et al.,^2 in my excerpt comment:^3

>Although the rotation of this planet, named Wolf 1069 b, is probably tidally locked to its path around the parent star, the team is optimistic it may provide durable habitable conditions across a wide area of its dayside.

>The absence of any apparent stellar activity or intense UV radiation increases the chances that Wolf 1069 b could have retained much of its atmosphere.

^1 A nearby potentially habitable Earth-mass exoplanet, Max Planck Institute for Astronomy, 3 Feb. 2023.

^2 D. Kossakowski, et al. The CARMENES search for exoplanets around M dwarfs. Wolf 1069 b: Earth-mass planet in the habitable zone of a nearby, very low-mass star. Astronomy & Astrophysics, 2023. https://doi.org/10.1051/0004-6361/202245322

^3 https://www.reddit.com/r/science/comments/10te3ex/newlydiscovered_earthmass_exoplanet_named_wolf/j767v94/

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Seared_Beans t1_j779zs3 wrote

Not to mention interstellar travel won't be feasible for hundreds of years. We gotta focus on more pertinent things

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Putin_Delenda_Est t1_j77c6ud wrote

I’m sure this paper isn’t going to stop us from figuring out how to stop climate change.

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Pigs_in_the_Porridge t1_j79cpl0 wrote

Why should that be the expectation? Can't you think of other reasons to find habitable planets other than some supposed place for us to flee to (which is a dumb idea).

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Tobias_Atwood t1_j7allh2 wrote

Humans have had an insatiable urge to explore, chart, and colonize every square inch of habitable land for as long as we've been humans.

The morass of space will not stop us. We will spread and claim and consume until we have conquered every last bit of empty of space in the galaxy. Even if it takes us a million years.

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timberwolf0122 t1_j78gq0l wrote

Well, interstellar probe travel should be possible before then, but humans are leaving the solar system anytime soon without some revolution in tech.

One day we will make it, probably in massive several km long O’Neil cylinders powered by nuclear drives able to scavenge interstellar gasses.

First though we should be looking get a dyson ring round the sun to solve power needs

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mypantsareonmyhead t1_j78yy0o wrote

>Not to mention interstellar travel won't be feasible for hundreds of years

Based on what, exactly?

This is nonsense.

Interstellar travel may NEVER be feasible.

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jskeezy84 t1_j779fo6 wrote

Would you feel the physical effects of a 16 day orbit? I imagine it would feel like your in a centrifuge.

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Putin_Delenda_Est t1_j77bvsm wrote

We’re moving incredibly fast now but you don’t perceive it. The red dwarf might take up a huge portion of the sky and would be a different colour, which would be cool.

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libginger73 t1_j77my3k wrote

Would it affect circadian rhythms...like getting really tired every 8 hours or something?

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Ezekiel_29_12 t1_j77pjo9 wrote

No, but its day is essentially the same as its year, so the sun wouldn't appear to move in the sky, and the planet has a day side and a night side and the lack of light changing would be a tiny irritation. But if you colonized it you'd sleep indoors anyway and artificial lighting would provide a normal sleep cycle.

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libginger73 t1_j78p1q5 wrote

I have always wondered about planets that rotate slower or faster and if that would affect things like sleeping and aging etc. I suppose your body gets tired after x hours of waking so yes artificial lighting and black-out curtains could help, but in place very far north, it's well known that we simply don't do well in limited day or night environments. Still would be interesting to see if we ever get to be interplanary!

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MarkHirsbrunner t1_j79zfmq wrote

Red dwarfs are redder than our sun, but they aren't really a color anyone would describe as red. Their surface temperatures are around the same as the filament of an incandescent lightbulb or hotter, which means it would be about the same color as an old fashioned light bulb.

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SaulsAll t1_j768p14 wrote

How close is this to Wolf 359?

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AdmiralBarackAdama t1_j769cfp wrote

You thinking what I'm thinking, Commander?

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SaulsAll t1_j76adml wrote

I'd be surprised if there wasn't a preponderance of Trekkies in astronomy, and that such places weren't some of the first checked for habitable planets.

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terranproby42 t1_j76pf34 wrote

To my understanding TOS and TNG we're in fact the prime drivers of people into astronomy for almost 30 years, so, probably

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ToxDocUSA t1_j76awfa wrote

Only came in here to make sure some such reference had happened. Thanks!

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sweetnumb t1_j79dt78 wrote

And how close is Star Wolf to either of these?

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Earguy t1_j768iai wrote

31 light years away. C'mon, start designing the probe!

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tiger66261 t1_j76n4pi wrote

We'll develop a probe at half the speed of light, so it should reach the planet in roughly 60 years

50 years later

Ah christ I think the probe hit a random asteroid in deep space

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bannacct56 t1_j76wkj8 wrote

If the plan is to reach even into our Solar System we will need to start planning and getting comfortable with generational projects.

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Seared_Beans t1_j779rr2 wrote

Generational projects, and methods of keeping socio political issues from derailing it all. That will be hard with a species so focused on immediate profits. Generation projects of this magnitude don't pay off quick, I don't know many rich folk interested in doing things that won benefit them before they kick the can

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Putin_Delenda_Est t1_j77euvf wrote

There’s no one better at generational projects really. It’s the reason you end up with an aristocracy.

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Seared_Beans t1_j77sbch wrote

My guy, it won't be aristocracy. It's gonna be rampant space imperialism, you know, like we do every single time we find resources in mass ripe for the taking. Hording resources, and controlling planets in the solar system is gonna end up being their goal. They will have no interest in a project that won't make profit for 200-500 years. This ain't months without profit, this is lifetimes of investment with no gaurentee of a return (because we don't have a clue how possible this really is) the conquest of the solar system is far more likely (and we've already started it) than an interstellar one in the near to distant future. And money is already being made in it

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Rex--Banner t1_j78zedi wrote

But then 30 years later we will have a Probe that goes twice as fast as that one and then we design a Probe that is double the speed of that one and they will get a cool Probe first and each Probe after will get worse with less information that's outdated.

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marketrent OP t1_j767v94 wrote

Findings in title quoted from the linked summary^1 for a hyperlinked journal paper.^2

From the linked summary^1 released by the Max Planck Institute for Astronomy:

>A team of astronomers led by MPIA scientist Diana Kossakowski have discovered an Earth-mass exoplanet orbiting in the habitable zone of the red dwarf star Wolf 1069.

>Although the rotation of this planet, named Wolf 1069 b, is probably tidally locked to its path around the parent star, the team is optimistic it may provide durable habitable conditions across a wide area of its dayside.

>The absence of any apparent stellar activity or intense UV radiation increases the chances that Wolf 1069 b could have retained much of its atmosphere.

>With a distance of 31 light-years, Wolf 1069 b is the sixth closest Earth-mass planet in the habitable zone of its host star.

>Because of its favourable prospects regarding habitability, it is among a small illustrious group of targets, such as Proxima Centauri b and TRAPPIST-1 e, to search for biosignatures.

^1 A nearby potentially habitable Earth-mass exoplanet, Max Planck Institute for Astronomy, 3 Feb. 2023.

^2 D. Kossakowski, et al. The CARMENES search for exoplanets around M dwarfs. Wolf 1069 b: Earth-mass planet in the habitable zone of a nearby, very low-mass star. Astronomy & Astrophysics, 2023. https://doi.org/10.1051/0004-6361/202245322

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Ixneigh t1_j76m97f wrote

Let’s look for atmosphere first.

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sweetnumb t1_j79dut2 wrote

I bet the atmosphere is very depressing on the dark side.

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exkallibur t1_j77f86m wrote

Can we name that planet "Earth" and change our name to "Wolf"?

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HarkansawJack t1_j76kvuf wrote

Screw earth mass though. Let’s pick a planet with less gravity so we can have more fun.

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roxyamused t1_j76yf20 wrote

I think that would cause a lot of health issues. Our bodies evolved with this gravity and atmospheric pressures. It might be nice for an afternoon though.

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Seared_Beans t1_j7770js wrote

More health issues than we can quantify, that's why a huge part of manned spaceflight has been relentlessly studying the effects of reduced G's on the human body. To say the least, EVERYTHING starts to go south after just months in a reduced g environment, we don't know how bad it will get or how lethal it can be upwards of several years

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rockmasterflex t1_j76yc7p wrote

Imagine how much taller we’d grow to be without the oppression of gravity?!

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syds t1_j778o8m wrote

just go to the belt for a few yrs

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nclh77 t1_j77b12g wrote

Yay, keep destroying our planet now that we have planet B.

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Liquidwombat t1_j774olr wrote

I feel like we really missed an opportunity here not calling it wolf 359

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jpheeney t1_j76ju12 wrote

But not habitable across a wide area of its nightside?

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Varsect t1_j781p00 wrote

Tidally locked planet.

Cool story bro. Wonder what kind of human can survive that.

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CarpeDiem96 t1_j79zihk wrote

And at night blistering cold winds that blow diamond dust at Mach 1 speeds and giant arachnid parasites that melt you with acid slowly as they digest you and rip you apart.

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cmVkZGl0 t1_j7cdqww wrote

That's why everyday you have to scavage for diamond dust to add to your armor silly

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officefridge t1_j77sqz9 wrote

THIS CHANGES EVERYTHING literally nothing

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nembajaz t1_j785krx wrote

Without UV it's practically naked to cosmic rays.

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Violated-Tristen t1_j7a66zt wrote

Sure… but it’s in the same system as Wolf 359 and we KNOW that’s where the Borg show up; So… keep looking?

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Henryhooker t1_j7bg9ft wrote

We should colonize it and then ruin it.

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HansPGruber t1_j76mh0o wrote

Send Marge, Matt, and Bobo to find out.

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Purple_Passion000 t1_j784mr2 wrote

Wonderful. Meanwhile it matters not to the many issues we face on Earth. Navel-gazing at its finest.

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Jakocolo32 t1_j76o57t wrote

How do they know the name of it?

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lunelily t1_j77bmxq wrote

The same way your parents knew your name.

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_ancienttrees_ t1_j76a20w wrote

You know where else is habitable? Earth. Maybe we should worry about the one planet we do have

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AthKaElGal t1_j76ax3a wrote

We do worry about the one planet we do have. Well, at least the scientists do. That doesn't stop us from exploring. Ofc people with small brains can't comprehend the idea that science isn't mutually exclusive and that we can do multiple things at once. Progress isn't linear and does not require we all focus on one thing.

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YEETMANdaMAN t1_j77ipfk wrote

Great. What is your solution to checks notes everything happening right now, and what are you doing to solve it.

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China_Lover t1_j7736gu wrote

Currently we cannot send humans that far, but who knows in 1000, or 10000 years from now?

It's about the long term survival of humanity.

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Tobias_Atwood t1_j7am051 wrote

Honestly it isn't even about our long term survival.

Humans want to explore and expand and grow. They think there's a place they can go to set up shop they're gonna go whether it's a good idea or not.

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AfterLemon t1_j793dqv wrote

The real problem here is that so many of the uninformed don't realize that there are hundreds or thousands of scientists that specialize in each individual section of science.

There are maybe 10 popular climate scientists that make headlines, but maybe 1 that might make headlines for some hopeful half-invented article.

But there are definitely hundreds of scientists that spend their entire career (30y270d8h= 65000 hours) each focusing entirely on each of these sciences.

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