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Okay but can we get like the actual meta analysis on this so we can finally know if coffee is heart healthy or not

It's also associated with affecting the kidney's way it processes calcium leading to increased risk of osteoporosis....not trying to kill the buzz, sorry.

*Edit to add: in higher doses, they are talking 8 cups a day kinda thing.

So many questions... what's a cup of coffee? One shot...2 shots? Type of coffe? Instant, beans? With or without milk? After scanning the text couldn't find an answer to any of them. Also the study apparently was done only in Italian people.

Seriously though. We need "COFFEE GOOD" or "COFFEE BAD". This whole providing scientific data and expecting us to draw our own conclusions is so last century.

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I'm pretty sure the consensus is that coffee is heart healthy now, with a sweet spot between 2-4 cups. Shame it doesn't work for me because I have anxiety

Also rheumatoid arthritis I believe

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It's linked with other benefits as well. I recall reading about how it can reduce the chances of one developing alzheimers.

I cannot drink more than one sadly, even though I love it. it really hits my anxiety and gives me acid reflux

I had to switch to tea. Sad face.

A cup of black coffee, strengt somewhere between the extremes, obviously without milk. Then it would no longer be a cup of coffee, it would be a cup of coffee and cream.

Minor risk for osteoporosis. Drink your milk

I assume 200ml filter coffee

Are you undereating? I get anxiety symptoms if I undereat and drink coffee. And I have to watch myself because I have a propensity to undereat, but when I eat properly I feel a lot better, and feel energetic but calm after coffee.

tl;dr drink green tea

I love coffee and it can do no wrong

Not likely in Italy.

That's the thing, one can get all the calcium you think you need, the problem is the kidney doesn't process it as well as it normally would, means a larger percent of that calcium you got through drinking your milk ends up exiting when you take a piss....

Less calcium processed = bigger risk of bone density problems aka osteoporosis.

That's what I took away from the article I linked to anyway.

Helps protect your liver as well.

My dad got hep c from a blood transfusion in the mid 1970s.

50 years later and no significant liver damage. Studies started coming out around 2010 or linking coffee intake and lower liver damage and sure enough my dad is a pot a day guy.

Thankfully he went through treatment and no is Hep C free.

I used to be jittery when drinking coffee but my body has acclimated to it over the years so it's not much of an issue unless I'm taking a second cup soon after the first. L-Theanine was helpful to get the benefits of the caffeine without the jitters.

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"Caffeine was found to mainly improve performance on demanding long-duration cognitive tasks and self-reported alertness, arousal, and vigor. Significant effects already occurred at low doses of 40 mg. L-theanine alone improved self-reported relaxation, tension, and calmness starting at 200 mg. L-theanine and caffeine combined were found to particularly improve performance in attention-switching tasks and alertness, but to a lesser extent than caffeine alone. No conclusive evidence relating to effects induced by EGCG could be given since the amount of intervention studies was limited. These studies provided reliable evidence showing that L-theanine and caffeine have clear beneficial effects on sustained attention, memory, and suppression of distraction. Moreover, L-theanine was found to lead to relaxation by reducing caffeine induced arousal."

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The Brazilian Coffee Science Board?

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Right? I would drink it if there was proof it would take 10 years off my life. If it might be healthy...

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You are exaggrating the effect. Yes drinking excess coffee (over 8 cups a day or 4000mg caffeine) is an osteoporosis risk factor but it's a minor one that you can negate by consuming enough calcium.

Main reason osteoporosis occurs is due to people not getting enough calcium and vit d. Other than that, it's not important to majority of the population. It's not like steroids where there is major risk factor for osteoporosis or long use of heparin and anticonvulsants

If theyre Italian its expressos then

Its complicating

That and being sedentary leads to bone loss, so get your exercise.

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Does this include coffee with cream?

Italian study, so 100% it's espresso cups.

How do we know this isn’t just the effect of people who were told not to drink coffee because of high blood pressure?

Stopped any caffeine two weeks ago for the first time in a long time. Anxiety has improved big time. Its crazy

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Why is everyone reading this as coffee=good. It says lower blood pressure but similar arterial stiffness. It's the arterial stiffness that kills you, not the blood pressure. Blood pressure is normally a symptom of arteriosclerosis. This says coffee hides that symptom, but that only mask the underlying condition.

> We need "COFFEE GOOD" or "COFFEE BAD".

The problem is that for things like this, there really isn't a black-and-white answer like that. It will be good for some things and bad for some things and then it will probably vary by person on top of it.

As a general rule of thumb, if you read an article that says something like "red wine is good for you," you can safely assume the study was really, really specific and said something like "red wine can slightly reduce blood pressure in people with mildly elevated blood pressure" and that it's the reporter who has oversimplified. It's not like the risks of alcohol consumption increasing your chance of cancer and liver damage and so on went away... it just also does this other thing they found.

Coffee raises cortisol. When cortisol is active our immune system is suppressed.

Decaf does have some health benefits if you don't mind the taste!

Here's a study examining 20 years of heart data that finds filtered coffee people have lower mortality rates, and here is a 14 week experimental study that seems to confirm that paper filters seem to catch the cholesterol raising components.

maybe it’s worth to try that for me!

sadly no I overeat ;)

Same. Sometimes wil have 2, but I exclusively drink half caff bevs for this reason

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There are kinds of coffee that have very low acid and are kind of more "stomach-friendly", just search for low acid coffee. And the anxiety is caused by caffeine, so decaf could work?

Did he have to take those $90,000 pills?

The studies I’ve seen showed that milk doesn’t help your bones.

(This article has a lot of links to studies) https://www.bbc.com/future/article/20190408-should-we-drink-milk-to-strengthen-bones

I have anxiety an coffee is great for me. I also have ADHD and it makes my feel like my body is running at the right pace. The more I have to focus on something, the more coffee I'm drinking. Coffee calms me down and I mostly drink it on an empty stomach and always black.

I had RA before I drank coffee and I've drank a lot of coffee since. Doesn't make a lick of difference.

If you want to do an real RA study, put people on a low carb diet and see how they do. Symptoms will improve. That extra water in your joints hurts. It's inflamed and swelling. Carbs store water so ditch the extra water.

Also, RA is not osteoarthritis. More exercise actually helps RA symptoms. It's the opposite for osteoarthritis.

Acid reflux may come from drinking coffee that has been sitting in a thermos/on a hot plate for a long time. Drinking freshly-made coffee should eliminate that problem

Yayyyy. Hooray for dear ol' me!!

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Sadly no, always fresh for me

It helps to drink a dark roast not a medium one to not get acid

Ha ha! I love that the more coffee is studied the more benefits are uncovered! I will **not** stop drinking it every morning!

i’m sorry i’m basically science-illiterate… is this good or bad for coffee drinkers?

Definitely does nothing but increase my bp and hr for me.

Then my plan of 8 to 12 a day really sounds good, now!

You sure they used expresso? Maybe they used impresso instead?

If I remember correctly, osteoporosis is barely linked to dietary calcium, and more linked to things like exercise, protein intake, and hormones.

Lower blood pressure would at minimum help spare you end organs that suffer from persistently elevated blood pressure (e.g. kidneys) no?

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Adding to this but also how you prepare your coffee. I’d suggest a French press if you were looking for something less acidic.

Have you tried a French press?

coffee seems to enhance exercise and also mimick some health effects from exercise.

cortisol is raised in any stress induced activity , even exercise. ashwaghanda and ginseng may help lower cortisol