Submitted by Mollysindanga t3_10mu3ad in rva
dovetc t1_j65nz00 wrote
Reply to comment by pentarou in Virginia Union University Post Regarding Tyre Nichols by Mollysindanga
Well they've been charged with murder, so that's exactly what should happen when there's been a murder.
inexcelciusheyoooo t1_j65p0c4 wrote
Maybe, just maybe, we could also take this as an opportunity to limit police power in general and require them to be even somewhat qualified ?
Oostylin t1_j6856jf wrote
You’re forgetting the part where the Police are just a defense force for the rich when everything goes sideways, they will NEVER take their power.
pentarou t1_j65oo7j wrote
You're right, regular people should sit at home in quiet comfort and trust that the justice system works. Definitely don't do anything like the French when they try and raise the retirement age.
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pentarou t1_j65yuhb wrote
How have you been on Reddit for 4 years, with no submitted posts, made 1 comment 2 years ago, made 1 comment 4 months ago, made 1 comment 4 weeks ago, and then make 8 comments in the past day? With 2713 karma? My guy, you are super fucking suspicious
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Charlesinrichmond t1_j66a3y8 wrote
Whether he's suspicious or not he's right. The assholes who like to set fire to things and destroy society are equally bad
Lock up all the assholes police or not. Civilization will be the better for it
princessofbeasts t1_j683sj8 wrote
A cop who murders someone in cold blood isn’t just some asshole, they used power and privilege to bring pain and suffering to the world. Based on the video, they really thought they would get away with this crime without consequence. Which is very telling for the general mindset of police. The cops tried to manipulate the situation so that it seemed like Tyre was resisting arrest (to justify their violence against him). Thanks to the sky cam footage their lies were uncovered. How many other police have lied and gotten away with violence and murder?
One could argue that the BLM protests and riots are the ONLY reason these cops are facing severe consequences. But even then it’s not enough, they’re just a tiny part of a much bigger problem.
This won’t be the last time someone is killed or maimed. So yeah, people are understandably upset and outraged (and also exhausted and heartbroken by a broken system). There is very little any of us can do in this moment to stop the future killings. What do you do when nothing changes? Do you think revolution happens quietly and peacefully? That would be nice but let’s be real.
Charlesinrichmond t1_j696chm wrote
this is why cams are good. And police training is an issue.
One could make your arguments, but the data doesn't back them up.
Revolution would make things worse. But the idiots don't want to do the hard and boring work of fixing the system. We need to pay police more, and train them better.
The riots make them worse.
princessofbeasts t1_j69at3a wrote
Body cams didn’t stop the murder of Tyre Nichols. Training is just one aspect of the issues with police.
Revolution is pretty much the only way for ‘The People’ to create real, lasting change when change is needed on a massive, urgent scale.
Charlesinrichmond t1_j69iuq2 wrote
body cameras got the cops arrested.
Anyone who is advocating for revolution should go move to North Korea and report back. You have to be wretchedly stupid to think that would make the world better. You and the January 6 people are the same
princessofbeasts t1_j69nrwb wrote
Welp, guess I’m wretchedly stupid then!!
_Joe_Momma_ t1_j6a0i6r wrote
>body cameras got the cops arrested.
...no they didn't. A traffic camera controlled by the highway department and out of police's jurisdiction got them arrested.
Body can footage is controlled by the police. They knew they were recording themselves and I guarantee that footage was going to wind up "lost" or "corrupted". That's why they were telling an unconscious man to stop resisting as they beat him to death, because the audio implying a confrontation can exonerate them, so long as contradictory footage isn't made public.
And again: who decides footage is the cops. If they were caught on a private camera, they'd seize and wipe the footage. It was only because the footage belonged to someone they had zero authority over that they thrown under the bus so the department could cover their ass for what is clearly a regular occurence with how casual they acted about it and how they were prepared to fake audio.
They got caught over a technicality. That's it. That is the only reason we know what actually happened. You need to realize how depraved and one-sided policing is. The officers being caught wasn't the system working, it was their system breaking. Beating a man to death in a manner they clearly expected to get away with it was the system working as intended.
princessofbeasts t1_j676dlf wrote
These people aren’t trying to destroy civilization. They’re trying desperately to have their outrage seen and heard in a society that systematically quiets and downplays all the fucked up corrupt shit that goes on and on and ON, and nothing ever changes. It’s not fair that small businesses get targeted, but guess fucking what, it’s even less fair that black men and women have to justifiably FEAR FOR THEIR ACTUAL FUCKING LIVES at the hands of the police.
Charlesinrichmond t1_j695glq wrote
They are trying to destroy civilization. Let's hear what the NAACP says... whatever happened to "listen to black people"
“We cannot allow folks to come back into our city, throw bricks at humans, throw bricks at the police department, setting things on fire. That is not the way we do things,” James Minor with Richmond NAACP said.
_Joe_Momma_ t1_j68ey75 wrote
Just so we're clear: you're saying a human being being beaten to death by authority figures and destroying "society"(?) and "things" are equivalent?
Charlesinrichmond t1_j696g6h wrote
absolutely. they both suck and all the assholes, left and right, need to be locked up. They are just narcissists trying to hurt the world
_Joe_Momma_ t1_j69ejf2 wrote
Bud... the world is hurt. Again: a person was beaten to death by authority figures. Is that part of the world worth preserving or destroying?
And how do you lock up authority figures, when they have, you know... authority? Wouldn't they need to be forcibly removed from those positions of power to be held accountable?
Charlesinrichmond t1_j69j5re wrote
It's worth fixing. Destroying is a rather juvenile way of looking at it.
_Joe_Momma_ t1_j69lnwa wrote
Who fixes it? Because the only people with authority to do that are clearly corrupt and malicious as all hell and they're not going to listen to public demands unless they are forced to. And even then, that's not corporation to fix things, that's a Mexican standoff.
They have to be removed from authority. And how do you remove them in a way you wouldn't categorize as "destructive"?
Charlesinrichmond t1_j69uf98 wrote
the cops were arrested. They are charged with murder. Seems like things are working.
_Joe_Momma_ t1_j69vgh1 wrote
How did they get to those positions of power in the first place?
Would the outcome have been the same if a traffic camera hadn't caught them?
How many similar instances have already happened and are going to happen without being caught if things don't change?
If drastic changes aren't made, it will happen again and again and again. The king is dead, long live the king.
Charlesinrichmond t1_j69vlat wrote
changes yes. Drastic changes just mean more people dying
Arresting and charging the officers here is a big change
_Joe_Momma_ t1_j69yvex wrote
>Drastic changes just mean more people dying
Theoretically. And if the changes are done well and stick, deaths will stop.
Allowing things to continue as they will absolutely cause further deaths, continually, until things are drastically changed.
The halfway point between justice and injustice is injustice. Taking half measures is how chattel slavery continued out of the 3/5ths compromise, it's how segregation came out of reconstruction, it's how the prison industrial complex came out of desegregation, etc. Half measures do not work.
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