We weren't sure how the hibiscus would do in RVA, so the first year we planted 24 seeds in 2 long rows of 12, and they all got huge! It became the joke of the summer. We had so many of those friggin' calyces, and they are at PITA to get the core out of (and fuzzy, sharp coating on them). Then you have to dry them if you want to save them. We ended up buying a shitload of Belle Isle Moonshine and infusing the bottles, so everyone in our lives got these for Christmas that year.