Submitted by u-turnsonthehighway t3_ygoe3k in rva
eightbitagent t1_iu9ws4a wrote
Reply to comment by Investment-Queasy in Where can I get a good bagel sandwich in this town? by u-turnsonthehighway
The food theorists on YouTube did a story on New York pizza and one of their tests was to make their own pizza with water from different locations and it apparently made quite the difference.
They tested the water and the main difference was the amount of fluoride, which will kill the yeast in the dough (different rates for different waters) and that’s enough to make a difference in the final product
Investment-Queasy t1_iu9ycim wrote
Look at that… Science prevails? I will tell my wife she may be correct but further testing is still required. Specifically need to continue to try the lox.
Charlesinrichmond t1_iua7m06 wrote
I've heard that, but I don't believe that's correct. It also doesn't match my experience as a pizza freak that makes his own pizza dough. The big and obvious difference is technique, no one outside NYC metro knows how to make pizza dough I swear (exaggeration but...)
It also doesn't explain all the well known good places outside of new york.
The big issue here is no one spends time on the dough. It's a 4 day process for me, which used to be normal in NYC. No one making dough, with SUGAR, the same day they use it will turn out. a decent pizza dough ever.
I was talking with one of the partners at Mary Angelas once, the Italian guy, and asked him. He basically said Richmonders are savages who don't know what good pizza tastes like, and took the heart out of it for him, so why bother with all the effort?
tl;dr, it's not the water, it's the consumers demanding competence
eightbitagent t1_iua9xc1 wrote
They made 4 pizzas in the same day with the same techniques and the same ingredients except for the water. It’s science, and the water (fluoride amount) legitimately makes a difference. Not specifically in taste, but in how the dough cooks and rises.
Also people everywhere say NYC pizza is better than any NYC style pizza made anywhere else, it’s not just people in Richmond, so shitting on people who live here about this specific thing seems out of place.
Acrobatic_Ad_4192 t1_iuaeudo wrote
? And acting like NYC is the only place a good piece of pizza can be made is the dumbest thing ever. Go to napoli
Asterion7 t1_iuayyv0 wrote
Napoli style and NYC style are two different things.
eightbitagent t1_iuafnqi wrote
I didn’t say “good” I said the water makes the difference in the crust. FFs
Charlesinrichmond t1_iudrgy0 wrote
no it really isn't. This has been discussed ad infinitum in the pizza world and proved wrong over and over again.
The best Pizza state is often though to be Connecticut. Seriously. New Jersey also has great pizza. Neither of them use NYC water.
The yeast thing actually makes no sense if you make pizza. Check out how a retarded rise works. They probably just ignored that. You WANT slow and low yeast activity.
Asterion7 t1_iuaywlz wrote
>Richmonders are savages who don't know what good pizza tastes like, and took the heart out of it for him,
He is not wrong.
Charlesinrichmond t1_iuds1pm wrote
He is totally right. And I am going to annoy everyone who has never eaten pizza north of new jersey by saying it.
I was given a free Papa Johns pizza the other day. Oh my god was it bad in every way. It made me cry to think of how many people think of that as pizza
anonymous_subroutine t1_iubsmqh wrote
The water theory also doesn't explain why there are awesome and just "okay" pizza places in Manhattan.
atl_bowling_swedes t1_iuacv3q wrote
Is that why Mary Angela's pizza isn't very good?
Charlesinrichmond t1_iudrmz0 wrote
yeah. They literally told me they found no one gave a shit, so they gave up. It's all about the toppings when it comes to sales.
For a while I could make a special request and get a good pizza
anonymous_subroutine t1_iubssle wrote
No. The water theory is stupid. Go to JoJo's. Or Even Christian's can be pretty decent.
atl_bowling_swedes t1_iubxyrj wrote
The previous poster said one of the partners for Mary Angela's said richmonders don't know good pizza so there is no reason to bother. My comment had nothing to do with the water.
anonymous_subroutine t1_iuc0q9f wrote
Yeah I misinterpreted that comment thread. Sorry. I stand by my opinion that it's not the water...but I see now that's not what you were talking about.
tpasmall t1_iucyi1t wrote
JoJo's is the full NYC experience ha, great pizza, great atmosphere.
That said 360 pizza in Mechanicsville is up there for the best pizza. Just need to have them cook it well done.
Dante's in colonial heights it's pretty amazing though.
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