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chrisinouterspace t1_ispdped wrote

Reply to comment by batkave in 11 shot in Richmond within one week by Charlesinrichmond

It truly is amazing how some people need to be babysitted their entire life just to keep them from shooting whoever makes them angry

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bkemp1984Part2 t1_isph6jc wrote

When you understand how mental health, the brain, and socialization works, it's not amazing at all.

EDIT: not that I agree with the use of the term "babysitted" to describe social change aimed at improving fairness

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WorldsBestPapa t1_isphy0b wrote

That’s reductive and takes away their agency. Being poor doesn’t make you pick up a gun and shoot someone.

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bkemp1984Part2 t1_ispj9lf wrote

No, it's not. Nor did I say being poor means makes you do anything, much less try to kill.

It's not reductive because it's just recognizing decades worth of psychology, sociology, and epigenetics. I wouldn't have invested most of my career in mental health if I thought people were just destined to be however they grew up, because I know people can change and overcome and regain/realize agency. One can do that and still recognize what we know about how forces like poverty, exposure to violence at a young age, trauma, etc. shape someone's brain and behavior.

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ExtremeHobo t1_ispm7uu wrote

People get really confused about deterministic vs probabilistic. Being poor does not determine that you will commit crime. Being poor increases the chances you will commit crime. It's really simple.

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Greenmind76 t1_isrlv5b wrote

When you’ve got very little to sustain yourself it makes you more likely to kill to protect what you have or obtain more.

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bkemp1984Part2 t1_istlexd wrote

Right.....it's not saying all poor people are violent or all violent people are poor. It's just that resource acquisition and protection is a key component of any violent neighborhood, city, country, etc.

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Tylerjb4 t1_ispkr5d wrote

Those brains don’t deserve to exist

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bkemp1984Part2 t1_ispoghj wrote

Oof. It that sort of thinking were the best answer society could come up with on this issue, then probably none of us would deserve to exist.

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Tylerjb4 t1_ispp8or wrote

People who want to murder others? That’s who you want to defend?

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bkemp1984Part2 t1_ispwuwv wrote

Why is that such a crazy notion? I mean even our justice system, whose job is justice, has decided those people are worthy of being defended. I don't have to love everyone who tries to kill someone else in order to not agree with a random person basically saying they lose the right to exist.

People deciding which other people deserve to exist has a pretty bad track record in human history. But sure, we have it right this time.

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sullitron138 t1_isqvoet wrote

Stay there in outer space, Chris. Much easier to pull yourself up by your bootstraps in zero gravity.

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