iwearlederhosen t1_j9cb9jc wrote
Reply to comment by surpriseskin in Dear Cyclists (Especially you, orange jacket at Belvedere and Franklin) by [deleted]
The broad street bullies blocking entire intersections don't help the perception of bikers. Get rid of them and I'll stand behind law abiding bikers all day
zazzersmel t1_j9cn8gd wrote
yes sir! getting rid of them now. i eagerly await your approval!
fluufhead t1_j9crc5j wrote
This person's argument is the exact same type of concern trolling that Mitch McConnell uses. They are extremely close to demanding that all cyclists denounce antifa and the communist destruction they have wrought on America's cities.
JVorhees t1_j9cnib2 wrote
You get rid of the DUI people and I'll support car drivers. That sounded stupid as fuck.
iwearlederhosen t1_j9cnyw0 wrote
The point is that you don't move people to support your side by being jerks and blocking roads and having no actual legislative action to change things. A bunch of people riding bikes to AI, oh cars are bad, does less than nothing
JVorhees t1_j9cod87 wrote
The point is they represent me as much as drunk drivers represent you.
crusty_fleshlight t1_j9cpitr wrote
What?
JVorhees t1_j9cpwct wrote
He should take it up on himself to correct his fellow car drivers like he suggested cyclists should.
iwearlederhosen t1_j9cots9 wrote
Lol. I would never support a DD. How does your training even work. Because I think the BSB are jackasses I automatically support the worst of the drivers. You're so dumb
JVorhees t1_j9cpf89 wrote
Why should I be responsible for getting rid of the broad street bullies before you get rid of drunk drivers?
iwearlederhosen t1_j9cpmy2 wrote
Who said you need to get rid of the BSB? But they are the only ones that make themselves a menace in support of bikers
JVorhees t1_j9cprmf wrote
You did.
>Get rid of them and I'll stand behind law abiding bikers all day
Definitely don't drive right now.
iwearlederhosen t1_j9cq7x0 wrote
Will do. Continue to drive that is. Assmunch
JVorhees t1_j9cqea1 wrote
Lol. Don't worry, wasn't thinking you were going to exercise
iwearlederhosen t1_j9crfcw wrote
Because cycling is the only way to exercise safely? 😂
JVorhees t1_j9crkw9 wrote
No, it not safe because of angry couch potatoes
ZephyrInfernum t1_j9cqg97 wrote
It wasn't me who said that, but it's pretty clear it wasn't direct at you, specifically but to the powers that be in RVA.
Wow.
JVorhees t1_j9cqnlg wrote
Was it the person I was responding to that said that?
ZephyrInfernum t1_j9cqhh6 wrote
Don't worry, they're dense.
JVorhees t1_j9cs2th wrote
Dense how? You had to chime in and tell me you weren't the person that said it! No shit genius! It's this person that said it. Wtf are you talking about and why?
ZephyrInfernum t1_j9ct8iz wrote
You're proving how dense you are.
I chimed in to point out that you misunderstood their original statement to me directed at you specifically, when it clearly wasn't.
No one expects YOU to fix the issue with broad St bullies. Sheesh.
JVorhees t1_j9ctpia wrote
He wasn't naming me specifically? What?
No shit, genius. He made a dumbass comment suggesting all cyclists were responsible for a fringe group. I was clowning him for making a moronic statement. Then you came along dragging your shoes in doodoo attempting to "clarify". Stfu and get lost.
ZephyrInfernum t1_j9cvqq5 wrote
That's not what they said... Or what they implied.
JVorhees t1_j9cvya6 wrote
>The broad street bullies blocking entire intersections don't help the perception of bikers. Get rid of them and I'll stand behind law abiding bikers all day
What was it they said instead of this?
And also, did you really think I expect this douchebag to end DUIs?
ZephyrInfernum t1_j9cxm6u wrote
Nice name-calling. Reported.
JVorhees t1_j9cxwgj wrote
The person that started the name-calling by calling me dense reported me! Oh no. What a fucking nerd.
ZephyrInfernum t1_j9cyees wrote
Lmao. Okay keyboard warrior.
JVorhees t1_j9cyzhl wrote
Warrior how? You can't follow basic comments. Wtf.
CLBr t1_j9dcfvz wrote
Actual legislative action? Like this year’s SB1293 or any of the previous iterations that have died in the past? The legislative action is there, but people like you bitching and moaning about it make sure that politicians are voting against those measures. Maybe put your money where your mouth is and learn about (or even support) the legislation you claim we need.
chihuahua001 t1_j9d7xdx wrote
Cars are what make people get this mad at people having fun
iwearlederhosen t1_j9d8wqi wrote
It's not me against people having fun. It's more about people obeying the current laws and not using this as a guise that it's somehow going to change drivers actions or laws for pedestrian and bicyclists protections.
There are legitimate ways to get things changed if that's really what the point is
chihuahua001 t1_j9d9d1q wrote
Fuck the current laws. Traffic laws exist to keep morons in cars from killing each other. In the absence of cars, cyclists can intermingle without substantial traffic control.
Whens the last time you exceeded the speed limit or rolled through a stop sign or light?
iwearlederhosen t1_j9d9pqv wrote
I don't actually. As someone who doesn't own a vehicle and only drives a monitored company vehicle, homey don't play that. Care to try again
foureyeswithbeard t1_j9ce5pd wrote
Yeah those car drivers sure never block intersections! Or bike lanes... Or bus stops... Or driveways... Or alleys....
Pot meet kettle. Move along.
iwearlederhosen t1_j9celt2 wrote
There's no aggregate organized group of vehicle drivers set to intentionally break laws like the bullies that I'm aware of.
I personally always give way to pedestrians and cyclists in the right of way and crosswalks when the lights are in their favor and don't park in bike lanes.
Point deducted
foureyeswithbeard t1_j9cflp4 wrote
There are lots of groups like that. Some drive through Richmond occasionally doing doughnuts in intersections (here's a fun one from last year: https://www.carscoops.com/2022/02/police-stop-car-club-plan-to-takeover-richmond-virginia-for-donuts-and-drifts/). There are drag racing groups, there's the old cannonball run across the country - tons of car groups that love to skirt the law.
Then there are just the tons of unaffiliated drivers who speed, drive while texting, DWI (it was JUST a few beers!), hop into the shoulder if there is traffic, etc. Ignoring the law and other people's well-being doesn't require a group affiliation! The potential for damage is significantly higher from a single driver on a highway texting than nearly anything a cyclist is capable of.
I am all down for you wanting to advocate for better adherence to infrastructure and legislature, but trying to call out the bullies as some kind of cyclist-only anomaly is weak.
foureyeswithbeard t1_j9ch4wc wrote
In case you are open to learning more, here are some stories from the last year - two of VA cyclists getting killed while seemingly adhering to the law and one of a seeming group of organized drivers out to maim/kill cyclists by dooring them.
iwearlederhosen t1_j9ci0m2 wrote
Thank you. It's not that I disagree there's a problem with drivers. It's more than the BSB are not seen as a solution or even contributing to it but rather a ragtag group that is out it just have fun running lights and blocking streets
JVorhees t1_j9cnh9q wrote
Tell me about your street racing skills.
Diet_Coke t1_j9d232p wrote
The point of the Broad St Bullies and Critical Mass taking over the street is that it's an inconvenience to drivers for like 10 minutes once per week, but that's how the roads feel for cyclists every other minute of the week.
iwearlederhosen t1_j9d7tor wrote
They do nothing for reform while they "bully" everyone including pedestrians trying to cross the street with the laws. I've been stuck trying to walk across with the signal with these d bags while they play 'activist".
Diet_Coke t1_j9d8dp0 wrote
Oh man, that must have been so terrible having to stand in one spot for five or so minutes, I'm glad you made it through that atrocious behavior
iwearlederhosen t1_j9d9b4f wrote
Yes it was an inconvenience, especially considering if it was supposedly for my, as a pedestrian, benefit. I previously watched someone walk with the crosswalk thru the dicks running the light and thankfully they were unharmed but one of the cyclists tripped themselves up and crashed avoiding them. It does neither any benefit to do lawless things like this
pumicepickle t1_j9dk9g3 wrote
I've had to wait as a pedestrian (with a bike, I was new in town and didn't understand why 200 cyclists were all biking together) and several people shouted out to me to join them. Kids, families, teens, grandparents, college peeps, all having fun and cycling.
I wasn't stupid enough to cut through them and thought it looked like good community fun. I literally can't imagine being bitter and angry about waiting like five minutes.
Jesus Christ you people need to live a little. Angry over waiting and people having safe but inconvenient fun. Truly ridiculous.
[deleted] OP t1_j9d89iw wrote
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pocketdare t1_j9d2m4r wrote
I like the fact that Mr Vorhees took this very very personally and decided to get into a flame war with not just you, but another innocent bystander who chimed in to try to explain that it was a general comment about a group that gives bikers a bad name and not a comment about all bikers on earth.
fluufhead t1_j9ceabl wrote
Drivers causing deadly collisions with cyclists don't help the perception of motorists. Get rid of them and BSB won't block roads anymore
iwearlederhosen t1_j9cfcce wrote
So intentionally look like morons blocking streets to draw attention to drivers hitting others with no real other presence to advertise that fact? No. They are just out to be assholes because of the issue. Nothing they are doing otherwise is helping the issue.
No one calls their organization a bully with the actual intent of resolving something?
fluufhead t1_j9cjowc wrote
A protest you can easily ignore is a shitty protest sorry
ddm2k t1_j9cfcgw wrote
Bullshit yes they will. “And BSB won’t block roads anymore” so you’re admitting they’re a terrorist organization?
fluufhead t1_j9ckgta wrote
The false equivalency between hundreds of cyclists getting killed every year and the minor inconvenience caused by a group bike ride is morally bankrupt, hate to break it to you
surpriseskin t1_j9ccizm wrote
Agreed.
I have sympathy for them because I hate cars, but I also can't help but to say "what the fuck" when they're popping wheelies in the middle of lanes blocking traffic.
I stand by changing the infrastructure here to be more bike and pedestrian friendly. Fuck cars.
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