degggendorf t1_j6npilu wrote
Reply to comment by NinjaSant4 in A team of people studying noise pollution in Providence says the city is inordinately loud for its size – a problem that impacts public health as well as the environment. by GoxBoxSocks
> Also by capping do you mean just putting up sound barriers around the highway or are we talking a sort of fully enclosed system?
I think fully enclosed would be amazing, with greenspace, walkways, bikeways, and I suppose a couple car roads on top. Reconnect the sides of the city, while sequestering the traffic on the highway that's just passing through.
> Shows that road traffic exceeding 60 decibels cause health concerns. Other research papers (idk which ones, google probably has it) give you break downs of how long it takes for hearing damage based on decibel levels.
You are talking about two different things. No one is saying that 60dB highway sound is going to cause hearing loss...the problems there are disturbed sleep and stress-associated things like cardiovascular issues. I'm also not saying that the hypothetical loud vehicle is causing hearing damage either (at least, not to the person in their house). What I am positing is that the sleep- and stress-related issues seem like they would be worse with louder, intermittent noises, but you're saying that it's actually the quieter, constant noises that are worse, which is what I am trying to learn more about. This study you linked still does not support your claim about effects of types of noise. I am beginning to think that maybe you just made it up, or stated your opinion as scientific fact because you believe it to be true, but I would like to re-emphasize that I am trying to learn more. I might be wrong, and would love to have some reliable source that allows me to update my opinion.
NinjaSant4 t1_j6ox5cb wrote
Ok, let me explain how you can look at data and make a conclusion - You can look at research showing that low level decibel levels cause health issues, the article I sent you shows how low exactly it can get and still cause problems.
If the sound is constant it will always be causing problems where as a single loud noise is intermittent. The frequency alone means things like illegal mufflers are less polluting than a highway full of many vehicles.
A low constant hum can cause problems and has no protections against through enforcement. Meaning it causes more health problems. A muffler ranges from 100-120 decibels, that takes 5+ minutes to cause damage. I doubt the car is revving their engine in front of your house for that long and if so its probably your neighbor.
Why are you trying to solve a problem that already has a solution? Enforcement is a police issue and cops in Providence are notoriously bad at their job.
As for fully capping the highway that sounds like a fantasy with how RI invests in infrastructure - noise barriers work well and you cut a huge chunk of the noise even without the full enclosure. Something about the way they are shaped keeps the sound from escaping. Significantly cheaper because you don't need them to be as robust too.
degggendorf t1_j6oz230 wrote
> You can look at research showing that low level decibel levels cause health issues, the article I sent you shows how low exactly it can get and still cause problems.
> If the sound is constant it will always be causing problems where as a single loud noise is intermittent. The frequency alone means things like illegal mufflers are less polluting than a highway full of many vehicles.
I don't think that's sound logic (hah, no pun intended). Do you really think your quality of life would be greater if you had a perfectly silent home except I came by and blew an airhorn once an hour, as opposed to a home with a 60dB white noise machine running 24/7?
> A low constant hum can cause problems and has no protections against through enforcement. Meaning it causes more health problems.
Wait what? You think that your body somehow knows which sounds are legal and illegal, and only accepts damage from the legal ones...?
> A muffler ranges from 100-120 decibels, that takes 5+ minutes to cause damage. I doubt the car is revving their engine in front of your house for that long and if so its probably your neighbor.
As I said in the previous comment, physical hearing damage isn't the issue. It's sleep disturbance and stress related maladies we're talking about.
> Why are you trying to solve a problem that already has a solution? Enforcement is a police issue and cops in Providence are notoriously bad at their job.
I'm not sure what your point is. The cops suck, so I should just give up hope of anything related to them ever improving?
> As for fully capping the highway that sounds like a fantasy with how RI invests in infrastructure
Yeah probably, but I can still prefer an ideal solution over a realistic one, can't I?
>you cut a huge chunk of the noise even without the full enclosure
But also lose out on a ton of other non-noise-related benefits.
NinjaSant4 t1_j6p09xb wrote
Your body can't tell the difference between sounds but the ability to stop one via making a complaint with the license plate number and not having any recourse means the low constant hum is going to be more problematic.
Once an hour would be considered consistent. Again, read up on how long damage takes to occur. Noise happens, its the constant or consistent sound that needs to be dealt with.
Is your solution having more police or is there some magic solution to enforcing a law already on the book?
degggendorf t1_j6p3xi9 wrote
> the ability to stop one via making a complaint with the license plate number
Has that worked for you?
> Is your solution having more police or is there some magic solution to enforcing a law already on the book?
Not more police, better managed police. Get them out of their paramilitary training camps and back to doing the work that actually helps the people.
NinjaSant4 t1_j6p6kwx wrote
"back to doing work that helps people" LOL like the police have ever helped anyone.
But lets have them pull over more people because clearly more police interaction is the solution to noise pollution .
degggendorf t1_j6p6zel wrote
Okay I think this conversation has run its course; now it feels like you're just arguing about anything, maybe to distract from your initial claim you've been able to provide zero scientific (let alone, logical) support for, and I'm not really interesting what you're talking about now.
NinjaSant4 t1_j6pe7jc wrote
Lol whatever you say. Keep complaining about those illegal tailpipes, see where that gets you.
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