TimeSlipperWHOOPS t1_j4x4odp wrote on January 18, 2023 at 9:45 PM

Reply to comment by leavingthecold in Providence vs Johnston Schools by Ragetheprofet

And maybe it should have been as it would have been a benefit to those students?

What were the demographics in the 80s and 90s? I don't have historical data on hand.

leavingthecold t1_j4x5wz2 wrote on January 18, 2023 at 9:53 PM

I wasn't here in the 80's but based on US history time line immigration laws were relaxed to an extent. But from my readings mid 70's early 80's Providence saw many people come here in as economic migrants, war refugees, from West Africa, Central America, Southeast Asia, Caribbean, etc.

Now you barely see new migration from West Africa, or Southeast Asia or even Southern Europe. Immigration lack of enforcement or turning the blind eye is what you see currently for Providence's demographic. I'm sure earlier groups ( Italians, Irish, Portuguese ) benefitted from blind eye policies prior as well back when most didn't even have a birth certificate or social security card.

TimeSlipperWHOOPS t1_j4x72sg wrote on January 18, 2023 at 10:00 PM

"Look at the demographics!"

"I don't have them do you?"

"No but obviously they prove me right"

leavingthecold t1_j4x88d4 wrote on January 18, 2023 at 10:08 PM

From a lived experience and currently still live here that is the data. If you have lived here for over 30-40 years just look around not hard to tell.

I don't see anyone with countering data to prove what I said wrong either

TimeSlipperWHOOPS t1_j4xeeq5 wrote on January 18, 2023 at 10:48 PM

I guess I'm really just struggling to understand your point at all. You seem to be saying that the increase in MLL services in providence is proof of a lower quality school system. Is this because you think a focus on these services lowers the academic rigor? That it attracts those with less academic interest? Why does "see look at how much effort is going into bilingual teachers and classes" a sign of a worse off school?

Or I've completely misread your point and would kindly ask you to restate them for me.

leavingthecold t1_j4ymi09 wrote on January 19, 2023 at 4:05 AM

I'm guessing you never went to school in Providence or with a heavy student body consisting of people from different countries

The bilingual teachers are there usually for Spanish speakers, tell me how many are bilingual in some Asian, Middle Eastern, African language you know those people exist here as well.

Ironically those that were in ESL class didn't do any better than non native English speakers who happen to be in regular classes. Imagine that.

Educational_Leg36 t1_j4xb4km wrote on January 18, 2023 at 10:26 PM

Portuguese immigration is live and well. In fact it's lot of them are here illegally due to overstayed/expired visas.

leavingthecold t1_j4y2tif wrote on January 19, 2023 at 1:38 AM

Same with Irish, Italian, and other newer European groups but its really not spoken on since the numbers of recent ones still are smaller than whats coming from south of the border. The media will shift to that narrative instead of telling it like it is based on location.