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Krane412 t1_j5c15mn wrote

Reply to comment by pierogieking412 in My face when I saw this months gas bill. by bearsharkbear3

If there wasn't fracking it'd be even higher. Thank Vladmir Putin for invading Ukraine and pushing up natural gas prices worldwide. It's a globally traded commodity, the U.S. has been exporting more to Europe so they're not dependent on Russia.

>U.S. LNG exporters boosted shipments to Europe by more than 137% in the first 11 months of 2022 from the same period in 2021,

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pierogieking412 t1_j5cba41 wrote

Good for them for taking advantage of the situation and making money, but we've suffered. We were promised dirt cheap energy, and instead were middle of the pack when it comes to how much people pay in each state.

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PsychologicalAerie53 t1_j5d9dhs wrote

Dirt cheap energy only if you don’t include the social cost of carbon

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imouttahereta t1_j5ds74q wrote

Yeah let's get rid of that and use wind and solar instead. Works great in Pittsburgh, and I didn't want heating in the winter anyway.

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PsychologicalAerie53 t1_j5en2e7 wrote

No one is calling for the sudden shutdown of fossil fuel sources. It is a transition and fossil fuels will continue to play an important role.

My comment is that the fossil fuels are “cheap” only because the actual damaging effects of them are not priced into what the consumer sees.

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neglectedselenium t1_j5e8wxx wrote

You can have dirt cheap energy right now but you need to install solar power panels on your roof. They are record cheap and will continue getting cheaper

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SayTheLineBart t1_j5enq9n wrote

You need storage (battteries) too. I’m in Hawaii and even here it with so much sun you need a lot of panels and batteries to be self sufficient. It’s an investment with a lot of up front cost.

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