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Ralph_the_Dude t1_j5q923s wrote

So his solution is just to move them elsewhere? This is a systematic issue caused by generational poverty, it's not like kids are just born bad. Keeping poor people and rich people separate only helps to make the issue worse.

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risen2011 t1_j5qvsdk wrote

There's more than generational poverty going on here. I'm from Squirrel Hill. Years ago this problem didn't exist even though there were students from low-income neighborhoods at Dice. Of course, the bus stop was on the other side of Forward, but even then we didn't have the sorts of fracases that we're having now.

Something else is going on here that's causing these issues in recent years. I haven't lived in Squirrel Hill recently, so I don't know what it is.

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Revving-Engine2497 t1_j5xptko wrote

Where would you recommend living that Doesn't have this problem? Looking into Pittsburgh in the future.

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Zenith2017 t1_j5zvt3x wrote

I'm in squirrel hill now and it's been a very minor disruption to my life if any. That's not in any way justifying the atrocious and evil behaviors taking place.

Depending on your work and income some other similar neighborhoods are Shady side, point breeze, parts of east liberty (quickly becoming an attractive spot). All of these have $$$ as a caveat

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risen2011 t1_j61pw2r wrote

To add, this is taking place in the southern end of the neighborhood. You wouldn't really be near this if you lived near Wilkins (but $$$).

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Early_Platypus_8855 t1_j5qikae wrote

Theyre already exposed to the most prestigious high school in one of the wealthiest neighborhoods of the city, yet they still act like animals. Not sure how much "worse" they could get by not being exposed to rich people on the daily.

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Hour-Astronomer122 t1_j5qrt80 wrote

I believe what Ralph may have been referring to is segregation of housing which is a systemic issue that was caused by red lining & still has long standing negative repercussions today. It has created concentrated poverty that leads to anger, hopelessness & major barriers to being upwardly mobile. So the poverty cycle generationally continues.

Being exposed to a wealthier neighborhood while having to actually live in a low resource area will not fix the systemic problem. Breaking up poverty concentration is vital. This is why the mixed income housing model is being implemented & studied as a way to lead to better economic mobility for poor people, particularly younger generations. However, this is often highly contested by NIMBYs & land use zoning laws that need to be reformed so more affordable housing is available.

This is not an excuse for their behavior. Those behaviors are not acceptable. However, this should serve as a reminder that we as a society, from all economic backgrounds, have a responsibility to correct systemic issues by pressuring our local, state & federal governments to come up with long term, sustainable solutions to provide more resources to those in our society who are struggling the most. Shuffling them somewhere else for them to suffer as long as we don’t have to see or be affected by their inequities is not a solution. Supporting everyone in our society strengthens society as a whole.

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Alexispinpgh t1_j5qr0zm wrote

This comment is absolutely hilarious. You know nothing about Allderdice.

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KoltsovtheBest71 t1_j5r6utf wrote

Lol Allderdice is a joke. Any non-advanced course class is basically a daycare. Can only imagine how much worse it has gotten since I graduated a decade ago.

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MauraMcBadass t1_j5shfwv wrote

Yeah, this comment makes it clear that you are fairly ignorant about Allderdice and about how wealth inequality works in general. You don’t become wealthy via osmosis. Exposure to people who have more than you for no discernible reason besides race or random happenstance doesn’t make you suddenly want to go out of your way to be perfect in every way imaginable. More likely, it makes you mad. And mad teenagers do stupid shit, especially when peer pressure is involved.

Beyond that, Allderdice is shockingly segregated and has been for decades. The PPS Gifted Program has historically been overwhelmingly full of white kids from “good neighborhoods.” Black students currently make up less than 35% of the students in the program, district-wide. That’s not because they aren’t hard workers or don’t have the capacity to excel at higher levels, but because they simply weren’t offered the same advantages as their white peers. So tons of brilliant kids are stuck in practically remedial mainstream classes by no fault of their own, bored out of their minds, with no resources to help them engage more and actually learn and excel.

And I feel like I need to mention again, wealth isn’t a communicable disease. Exposure to it doesn’t mean you’re more likely to become wealthy yourself, especially if that exposure is fleeting and superficial.

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meet-kd t1_j5t9svw wrote

Agree with most of this, except being exposed makes you mad. As someone who grew up beyond poor, it was more of a motivation.

We all know what the issue is. It’s guidance, acceptance and love. And we all know that we personally can help make a positive impact, yet it’s easier to do this online.

Complaining about it will never do a single thing to change it. That’s not directed at you specifically; it’s more of a group comment.

I’m newer to the area so I don’t actually know where some of these areas are, but if anyone has any suggestions on where positive adults could be useful feel free to share.

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aboutsider t1_j5tgf0y wrote

It made you motivated. It easily could've made someone else mad.

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meet-kd t1_j5tk562 wrote

Oh I agree. Happened to my brother. Was just saying that it’s not always the worst case scenario.

Really I think it comes down to accountability. And I’m sure you noticed, overwhelming majority of people have an issue with that.

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aboutsider t1_j5ybn5c wrote

Overwhelming majority of people have an issue with accountability? Nah, I wouldn't agree with such a vague statement.

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MauraMcBadass t1_j5tswta wrote

Well, yeah. People are individuals and respond to their environments in different ways. My point was less that everyone would automatically be mad and destructive and more that it’s silly to assume that everyone would be motivated by the mere proximity of apparent wealth, especially since the way the school is set up keeps students of varying backgrounds separate.

The issue is at least partially guidance, acceptance, and love. Definitely. But there’s also a lot of nuance to it and the attitude of “they have gazed upon the upper middle class and have still chosen to be disadvantaged and uncivilized” is damaging and incredibly unfair to those kids.

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meet-kd t1_j5tu58p wrote

You’re not wrong at all. That accountability thing could go a long way for some here who don’t even realize how they make it worse more than better.

If you ever figure out how to get that understood by the people let me know lol.

And stay warm today. Gross out

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WorkingPleasant t1_j5rcl7n wrote

“Prestigious” is not the right word lol. Everyday there’s some sort of gossip with teachers or fire alarms pulled or stink bombs in every stair case. Dice fuckin sucks dude.

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