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dudeman4win t1_iw27u57 wrote

Reply to comment by Gill03 in I'm looking to become more involved in climate justice in W. PA... by Extreme_Qwerty

I mean you’re pretty spot on

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burritoace t1_iw2altq wrote

Not even close

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dudeman4win t1_iw2apwl wrote

I’ve been in the trenches fighting fracking and can tell you yelling and screaming helps nothing

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arguchik t1_iw48gjr wrote

You don't win by having the best arguments, nor "yelling and screaming." You win through organizing: building power. If you have enough people willing to go to the mat on an issue, you can shut. shit. down.

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Gill03 t1_iw4z65v wrote

How does shutting shot down solve climate issues? This isn’t the Vietnam war. No one is hiding the solution or stopping it, it doesn’t exist.

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arguchik t1_iw5ncsl wrote

If you have no plan and no hope, why do you want to do anything about climate change? Or maybe you don’t? I can’t tell.

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Gill03 t1_iw5ogh4 wrote

I support people who aren’t annoying obnoxious morons and are actually DOING positive things, as opposed to being annoying and self righteous. I like to live in reality and not terrorist hippy hypocrisy land.

How about you actually get educated on what you so passionately believe in and present it in a way where people won’t think you’re a stupid asshole? Crazy logic right?

So when people ask you questions you don’t have to rely on hyperbole, rhetoric, and nonsensical solutions to defend yourself.

Who do you think looks at your groups and says we should listen to these people? Who? Why would they?

Answer that, why should people care what you have to say? Because you are yelling?

Steve Irwin, huge activist, everyone loved the dude, did massive good, changed the game on animal conservation. Wasn’t an annoying obnoxious chanting idiot. Passionate and educated. Be like him.

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burritoace t1_iw2axtj wrote

That's nonsense. Nobody is saying it's not the whole solution but the movement against fracking in PA does not exist without angry people standing up. Eventually they end up electing politicians who take steps to reduce drilling - that's exactly how it works. It's not like scientists have stopped fracking here lol.

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arguchik t1_iw48qq2 wrote

Anger by itself does nothing. You need strategy, persistence, and people who have enough hope to believe that change is possible.

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Gill03 t1_iw4yk4u wrote

I like that you are actually telling someone who does something that they don’t exist and are wrong based on nothing lol

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burritoace t1_iw5d5hp wrote

Lol what on earth are you babbling about

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Gill03 t1_iw5f9dn wrote

You arguing against common sense and reality.

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burritoace t1_iw5g5kp wrote

Lol please go shout into the wind on somebody else's comments

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Gill03 t1_iw5gav3 wrote

he was talking to me and you interjected there crazy projection machine.

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burritoace t1_iw5glu1 wrote

Man you're just full of silly complaints

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Gill03 t1_iw5h2j0 wrote

you are not a fan of reality and self-awareness.

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burritoace t1_iw5hb3j wrote

No idea what you're still going on about but you seem awfully confident about it so don't let me stop you

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Gill03 t1_iw5ho3v wrote

last word, gotta get it right? You know I recognize your name right. Is this going to be a thing?

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Gill03 t1_iw4yezt wrote

Thank you them taking offense to this really shows their intelligence and what it is really about.

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