Submitted by Safe-Pop2076 t3_ywaef0 in pittsburgh
Do_Be_Suspicious t1_iwl51vo wrote
I left 5 years ago and have worked for AHN and two other travel companies. The sad thing is they're all the same - will pay employees as little as they possibly can while still somehow keeping them willing to come in to work. Also, all hospital systems are slowly taking away ancillary staff and putting that work onto the nurses.
UPMC is especially disgusting in that they claim to be a "nonprofit" and they don't pay property taxes despite being the second-largest (as of 6 years ago when I started there) employer in Pennsylvania.
Oh and I almost forgot their blatant union busting - I would attach an article but there are several instances, just Google "UPMC union busting". They're willing to get caught for this over and over again and pay the fine every time because they know the fines cost them less money than unionization would.
Marchesa_07 t1_iwlha8q wrote
UPMC is the largest landowner in Allegheny county to the tune of 1 BILLLION dollars in un taxed property. And I believe their profits were something like 12 BILLION in 2022.
The city really needs to strip them of their non profit status. Also AHN, Pitt, CMU. . .
Why do we put up with this utter bullshit?
enemy_of_your_enema t1_iwll7lr wrote
>The city really needs to strip them of their non profit status.
I get why UPMC is a terrible employer and I support efforts to fix that, like unionization and better regulation. But I don't get what that has to do with their nonprofit status.
Marchesa_07 t1_iwlm5xw wrote
1st, love your username lol.
UPMC is this region's largest corporation. They should be paying their taxes same as any other local corporation.
I'm pointing this out just to further illustrate how awful they are in the context of the discussion of UPMC sucks, lol.
And to be completely fair AHN, Pitt, and CMU are also in the same boat when it comes to flagrant abuse of non profit status. They should all be paying taxes. Full stop.
enemy_of_your_enema t1_iwly8zx wrote
Should all nonprofits pay taxes? Why should these nonprofits pay taxes and not others? Does it have to do with size?
Marchesa_07 t1_iwm279i wrote
They're not non profits
They're making profits in the BILLIONS. And they are not giving back to the community on the order of billions, are they?
That's the justification for not paying taxes. . .they give back to the community. But they do not.
Amrun90 t1_iwne3ru wrote
That’s not what nonprofit means at all.
I work at UPMC and they are scummy, but this is wrong.
Cuttlefisher1890 t1_iwlojpc wrote
Less about size more about the fact that they make a profit and their c-level executives make millions per year.
enemy_of_your_enema t1_iwly1t1 wrote
Non-profits are absolutely allowed to "make a profit" in that they can bring in more money than they spend in a given period. And of course they should be able to do that - think how hard it would be to run an organization if your expenses had to always match your income.
What nonprofits can't do is take those profits home in the form of dividends. They have to be reinvested in the organization.
Being a nonprofit also has absolutely nothing to do with the salaries of executives. I think there are good reasons those salaries shouldn't be exorbitant, but it's not related to their nonprofit status. It's not the "charity" sector where qualified professionals should be expected to take a pay cut.
Cuttlefisher1890 t1_iwm71db wrote
I'm just explaining why people don't like UPMC's non-profit status. Not saying it's why they shouldn't qualify for it.
Marchesa_07 t1_iwme76i wrote
Yes, we know they're not supposed to held to a strict standard where they break even.
But their profit margins are massive, seemingly excessive, and where is UPMC reinvesting the 12 BILLION into the organization? Certainly not in the staff payrolls.
Development of additional tax free properties throughout the city? The US and abroad?
Research? I'm not going to get started on how grant indirects work, the amount of tax money that's wasted in research, or the fact that UPMC is very tight fisted with research support.
Health insurance relief?
Do you have a better idea as to the answers?
Do_Be_Suspicious t1_iwlsih6 wrote
It means they don't pay the taxes that they should.
Also, it gives them a more positive reputation. Typically when someone hears "nonprofit", they think of charitable organizations. But UPMC is the opposite of a charitable organization.
enemy_of_your_enema t1_iwll0jb wrote
>UPMC is especially disgusting in that they claim to be a "nonprofit" and they don't pay property taxes despite being the second-largest (as of 6 years ago when I started there) employer in Pennsylvania.
I don't understand this point. Can a nonprofit not be large?
BakedTerra t1_iwm72gg wrote
https://www.attorneygeneral.gov/upmc/
https://makeitourupmc.org/upmc-a-real-charity/
Here's a couple good breakdowns. Specially love the 'but does a real charity..." section
Marchesa_07 t1_iwmhuy7 wrote
Bro. . .
Back in 2012:
"UPMC is a global health enterprise worth more than $10 billion and is sitting on more than $4 billion in cash and investments.
"UPMC made nearly $1 billion in profit in 2011 (see note 6 on page 12) and 2012 but gives less than 2% back of its annual patient care revenue in charity care.
UPMC has shut down and scaled back operations around Allegheny county, like in hard-hit communities like Braddock. At the same time, it’s investing millions overseas in places like Italy, Cyprus and Singapore"
How does UPMC qualify for non profit status? Why cannot US Steel, PNC, PPG, Alcoa, Amazon qualify for non profit status?
enemy_of_your_enema t1_iwmr29q wrote
Nonprofits simply must reinvest any profits back into their organization, rather than give them out as dividends to owners or shareholders. US Steel, Alcoa, etc, do the latter, so they aren't nonprofits.
I believe there's also some kind of requirement for nonprofits to spend a certain amount of money on community benefits, which is broader than just charity care. I don't know if they adhere to that rule or not.
Free_Lawfulness2263 t1_iwlypq7 wrote
Why are you bootlicking for an enormous corporate entity? One which has shown repeatedly though it’s actions how little it cares for the residents of this city, this state, and their own employees lmao.
Get the boot out of your mouth and try looking at this objectively. From a taxpaying citizens point of view.
Marchesa_07 t1_iwmi0ji wrote
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Safe-Pop2076 OP t1_iwmsztf wrote
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enemy_of_your_enema t1_iwmr94e wrote
I'm not bootlicking - just trying to understand this issue better and trying to correct misinformation about what being a "nonprofit" does and doesn't mean.
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