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drewbaccaAWD t1_itt7jlv wrote

Reply to comment by cjc323 in Where to watch Fettermann vs Oz? by 10malesics

If you can withhold your vote and make it blatantly clear that an election was lost because you and however many others made a stand on the basis of campaign outreach, more power to you.

But I really doubt your withholding of a vote will teach them a lesson...

That's one of the problems with elections analysts, unless there's an active study monitoring how you vote and why, they're never going to catch what led you to a given outcome. If you aren't asked at an exit poll or something, your vote will just be statistical noise to them.

If you really care, the first step is to sort out where the call(s) is coming from and get a discussion going. I'm in no way arguing that a "remove me from your list" request shouldn't be honored and something you can follow up on as it likely violates laws.

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cjc323 t1_itt8pep wrote

I think after tonights debate it won't matter much...yeeeeesh that was a train wreck. I've watched a lot of debates over the years that was realllllyyyyy bad.

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drewbaccaAWD t1_ittbs0v wrote

My expectations were 0, so I didn't tune in. Polished tv doctor who lies through his teeth vs honest guy recovering from a stroke that would rather make twitter style superficial jabs than discuss actual policy. Plus I just hate these "debates" more generally even with different candidates as two minutes or whatever isn't enough time to really discuss much of anything.

I'm glad there was only one debate and I'm not looking forward to hearing all about it. lol

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cjc323 t1_itugagc wrote

They had a bell and gave each opponent time to respond, there was a little back and forth but liked how it was run. I think it's vital to have one of these for things like pres vp sen cong gov mayor... They don't need to be an hour (with only 2 candidates). when run properly i think they are great for voters, if you can't catch it live you can watch stream/clips later. It makes for a more informed citizen and I think it's a good thing. Yes OZ being on TV for years clearly gave him an advantage, but I think it also showed Fetterman honestly still isn't 100%. which like it or not is important to know. He also said he wouldn't release his medical record also important to know.

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drewbaccaAWD t1_itv6s7h wrote

I wouldn't release my medical record either, certainly not every last detail. The thing is, unless you release every last detail there will always be someone there claiming you aren't being transparent... so it's more of a game than it is actual transparency. It wouldn't tell us anything anyway because the dust still hasn't settled post-stroke... so what you are really saying is that his injury is disqualifying because you're not willing to give him time to fully recover. There's nothing sketchy here. I'm all for transparency but some things really do need to remain private.

He doesn't speak well, I didn't need a debate to know that, It was clear just from the interviews he's done over the last few months. When he's asked a question he doesn't respond to the question and it's not the usual political dance around an answer, it's been clear that he's not understanding the question asked. I'm willing to take his word that it's an auditory processing issue; he otherwise seems able to understand and think clearly. But I agree, Fetterman isn't 100%, I'm just saying I've known this even before the debate.

I've watched at least 100 of these sort of debates in the two decades I've been eligible to vote and I've yet to see a single one that was worth my time; I've given up on the format. Some of the local ones have been ok but it seems like the closer you get to the top elections the more nonsensical they get. There's too much disingenuous bs, too many attempts at "gotcha!" I just can't be bothered.

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cjc323 t1_itvbo76 wrote

yes mental cognitive ability is important when you are running for office. yes he's recoverong and understand there but need to be able to fully perform in office or shouldn't be there. yes agree we don't need the minutia of his health record, but maybe more specific to his stroke and any info on when he might return to normal.

same been watching for decades. they arent for everyone but glad they are there as i feel it does help voters become more informed.

anywho thanks for the chat appreciate it and wish you the best.

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