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thatburghfan t1_iug3o9l wrote

I don't care what business owners think. I'm not a "you're dead to me if you support X" or a "I only deal with people who think like me" person. If a business provides something I want at a fair price, that's good enough for me. I don't need them to be ideologically compatible. Should we assume all the employees think the same way so we can try to hurt them too?

Tired of looking for new reasons to hate.

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djn24 t1_iug7qbt wrote

Supporting or not supporting a candidate that campaigns on removing people's rights isn't just a matter of differing opinions.

>We must take sides. Neutrality helps the oppressor, never the victim. Silence encourages the tormentor, never the tormented. - Elie Wiesel during his acceptance speech for the Nobel Peace Prize.

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oblivia17 t1_iuhbv91 wrote

Elie Wiesel watched babies being burned alive in open pits. You're really going to use his words in your condemnation of the crack'd egg for voting R? You guys are so out of touch, I wish you could see how you look to normal people.

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djn24 t1_iuhrjcq wrote

Let's look at what directly preceded that line in his speech:

>And that is why I swore never to be silent whenever and wherever human beings endure suffering and humiliation. We must always take sides. Neutrality helps the oppressor, never the victim.

And a little after that line:

>There is so much injustice and suffering crying out for our attention: victims of hunger, of racism, and political persecution, writers and poets, prisoners in so many lands

Wiesel spoke about calling out and confronting injustice long before it can ever reach the levels he saw.

So yes, his thoughts on the subject are worth sharing while discussing if you should or shouldn't be neutral about a political party in America that openly embraces making life more difficult for marginalized groups across the spectrum, questioning their rights, and emboldens hate groups to terrorize those individuals.

To minimize that, as you are doing, signals that it is okay to support that.

Considering that you, oblivia17, frequently post on conspiracy theory subs about "the left" and on conservative/neo-fascist groups, you have clearly already taken your side.

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No_One_Important484 t1_iug6p8n wrote

I agree with you 100% in principle. The issue that makes things different now than say 20 - 30 years ago is the extreme positions that certain politicians hold. My wife is an immigrant from the third world and there are lots of politicians (and their supporters) who genuinely believe she should not be in America.

How should I feel about this when I see a sign that supports these views? If I stop patroning the business or actively organize a boycott, am I continuing the cycle of hatred? If I ignore the political beliefs and continue to support the business am I betraying other people who are similar to my wife? Simple things that we all used to take for granted, like supporting businesses whose owners have different political perspectives, are not so simple anymore.

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DERBY_OWNERS_CLUB t1_iug9k5d wrote

>If a business provides something I want at a fair price, that's good enough for me.

What if another business provides the same thing for the same price and isn't shoving its politics in your face?

This is on the business owners for making a political statement with their business.

>Tired of looking for new reasons to hate.

Who said anything about "hate"? The business owner wants to make a political statement, we are forced to react.

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BonnieIndigo t1_iug9gu6 wrote

What do you think they do with the profits they make from your patronage?

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rae1104 t1_iugi87i wrote

Why would I give my money to someone who is just going to buy trump flags with it

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[deleted] t1_iugnj98 wrote

i sure wouldnt work with a bunch of right wing loonies any longer than I absolutely HAD to.

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