XiphosAletheria t1_j5lyllt wrote on January 23, 2023 at 11:06 PM

Reply to comment by some_code in Argument for a more narrow understanding of the Paradox of Tolerance by doubtstack

I mean, none of the examples you gave are violent, under any reasonable definition of the term. That's just not what the word means. "Harm" works, as long as you realize that "harm" is a much more subjective word, and that attempts to address "harm" are usually trade offs. For instance, anti-discrimination laws in hiring are deliberate infringements of an employer's right to freedom of association, justified on the grounds of the social harm they ostensibly prevent.

some_code t1_j5lzpaf wrote on January 23, 2023 at 11:13 PM

I’d argue they are structurally violent: https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Structural_violence

I suppose that’s a different term from violence alone, but this concept was defined to handle the expansion in just this kind of discussion.

some_code t1_j5lztmc wrote on January 23, 2023 at 11:14 PM

Also I agree with your point overall I’m trying to add to it not disagree with you.

XiphosAletheria t1_j5m2nhf wrote on January 23, 2023 at 11:34 PM

But I vehemently disagree with the notion of "structural violence". It's an attempt to harness our emotional reactions to violence and to apply our tendency to desire to restrict it to things that absolutely are not violence. It's similar to what progressives have done with the term "racism", which they started applying to a lot things that weren't, in fact, racism, in the hopes of using the emotion associated with the term to win support for their positions. And instead basically succeeded only in discrediting the term.

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