Submitted by doubtstack t3_10jdsyc in philosophy
FlynnRausch t1_j5klwfa wrote
Reply to comment by XiphosAletheria in Argument for a more narrow understanding of the Paradox of Tolerance by doubtstack
Conservatives arguing for tolerance of their noxious views only increases my violent intolerance to their existence.
adamdoesmusic t1_j5ks1x2 wrote
At this point, violent intolerance of conservative views is merely self-defense.
This isn’t a question of philosophical differences, it’s a question of “do we allow a bunch of walking hate crimes to legitimize themselves and their discourse in the first place?” The answer is no, fuck every one of them.
FlynnRausch t1_j5ktsli wrote
We don't even have a culture of tolerance now in the US. There's open animosity and antagonism directed at multiple minorities in conservative media and government.
adamdoesmusic t1_j5kujfn wrote
Oh, you misunderstood - they never planned on being even slightly tolerant of anything or anyone, the plan was to force us to tolerate their regressive bullshit!
I’ve felt for a long time that this whole “liberal tolerance” thing was just a psyop by the right to keep the left and center from fighting back - replacing them both with the most ineffective, wishy-washy form of liberalism a person could find and telling them “you’re just as bad as the people attacking you if you fight back.”
FlynnRausch t1_j5kwhu9 wrote
I think we're in violent agreement here :) The hypocrisy means nothing to them.
TNPossum t1_j5nmncw wrote
I'm not going to lie and say that the division isn't high, and that most of that division isn't centered around tolerance/culture wars. But I think it's extremely hyperbolic to suggest that the US is not comparatively one of the most tolerant countries in the world or that it doesn't have a culture of tolerance. Anywhere that you have diversity, you're going to have some intolerance. If you don't believe me, ask your average European about their opinions on gypsies or Muslim refugees.
bildramer t1_j5oavum wrote
Read up on the Rwandan genocide to understand what "open animosity" means, please.
Viceroy1994 t1_j5nqrvd wrote
Absolutely no, there's no justification for initiating violence on a person, let alone a group of people who number in the millions, simply because they hold certain views. You can't justify that violence by saying "Well maybe if they say certain things people will get hurt" either. Do I really need to explain how horrible this stance is?
Initiating violence is morally acceptable if and only if you're protecting yourself, your property, or other people from immediate and tangible danger, not hypothetical future danger that might or might not occur.
regalAugur t1_j5nth92 wrote
violently overthrowing climate change deniers is self defense on a global scale.
Viceroy1994 t1_j5nup59 wrote
So not only should we execute people who are hateful, we should throw in the un/mis-informed as well? You know I'd argue that climate change activists who protest nuclear energy against all logic and reasoning contribute a great amount to rising CO2 levels, should we throw them in as well? Or is it only the people YOU think are the enemies?
regalAugur t1_j5nx52u wrote
people who actively do not want the climate change crisis to be dealt with, and who are running the machine that makes it happen. oil execs, propagandists like prager u, lobbyists.. your uncle gary can be educated, darren woods and matt walsh cannot
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adamdoesmusic t1_j5pfxiv wrote
Yeah that’s always the argument they make at us right before, and then right after they commit violence at us.
The last time we had a bunch of right wing extremists numbering in the millions and pledging violence against entire demographics of people, it quickly became a problem for the rest of the world.
Not only is it ok, it is sometimes NECESSARY to violently resist if one wants to keep their lives and protect themselves.
Viceroy1994 t1_j5phhze wrote
Oh so you're worried about the US becoming like Nazi Germany? And we should preempt that by gathering all the wrong thinkers, and then what do we do with them? Should we forcefully re-educate them? Or should we consider a more final solution?
If you honestly think that internet trolls and a few thousand neo-nazos (If that) is all it takes for a prosperous, first world nation to dissolve to a fascist nation that mass executes its own citizens than you need professional help.
adamdoesmusic t1_j5pifor wrote
The only people telling me this isn’t a worry are the same people actively forming militias and joining up behind a despotic potential leader.
They’re making endless rules trying to criminalize LGBT people, attempting to force certain demographics to wear or possess special identification… oh yeah, and a few years ago were actively forcing immigrant families into concentration camps, forcibly sterilizing several of them, and stealing their children just to be cruel.
They already execute thousands of citizens a year in the streets - charged with no crime most of the time, and there’s usually a racial element too. The people who do the killing are directly descended from the people who enforced slavery.
You’re not gonna be able to convince anyone “don’t believe your lying eyes”, we know what we’re seeing, we know what we are hearing. Yes, there’s a fucking danger brewing here. It needs stopped.
ZAGAN_2 t1_j5tr3cb wrote
So what's your solution?
Gilwork45 t1_j5ohtli wrote
It always amuses me how much you people resemble what you claim to despise. The lack of self-awareness is astounding.
adamdoesmusic t1_j5pf8sz wrote
When’s the last time “us people” tried to make it illegal to discuss how black people are treated differently, all while simultaneously arguing about “first amendment rights” to say the N word?
When’s the last time anyone on the left made such a huge deal about targeting trans people? The republicans have made dozens of bills targeting trans kids and adults, even trying to rope drag queens in just to get an extra stab at queer people. You can’t even tell people you’re gay in Florida without risking your job, especially if you’re a teacher. What kind of “liberty” is that?
When’s the last time the left tried to overthrow the government and install an authoritarian fascist leader who immediately planned to implement martial law? how many politicians have they tried to kidnap? I know you’ll probably make some racist comment about BLM - no, that absolutely isn’t the same thing and you know it.
The left isn’t making their entire game “fuck these people, those people, and those other people.” That’s the republicans/right wingers/conservatives. Their only platform is hate and grift. You literally can’t name a policy they have that would help America, because they haven’t got one - they’re a bunch of fascists supported by foreign interests, and if you support them then you’re just as bad as they are.
VitriolicViolet t1_j5qoxy1 wrote
you know you sound just like them? 'lefties arguing for tolerance of their warped views only increases my intolerance for their existence'
unless you oppose the status quo (ie unless you think the Dems are rightwing, which they inmdeed are. Dressing up status quo market capitalism in LGBTI minority drag is not left).
FlynnRausch t1_j5qpmdj wrote
If you are equating people minding their own business trying to pee with LibsofTiktok, you're so barking up wrong tree right now. Dems are absolutely right wing. I'm from another country, it's laughable when they claim that Joe Biden - a corporate Democrat to the bone - is a socialist.
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