Proponentofthedevil t1_j46yaj1 wrote
Reply to comment by EducatorBig6648 in Life can’t be reduced to a rulebook. But committing to certain moral principles can help us navigate life better. by IAI_Admin
Then how are "needs" "rules" or even the word "must" not real? When you include higher concepts like ownership, or abstractions like money? Do these words not fall into things like "concepts" "language" "justice" "value" etc... you don't appear to be applying this consistently. You seem to just arbitrarily consider certain things completely unlike the things, I guess you like? So its hard to take seriously.
EducatorBig6648 t1_j46zqxy wrote
(sigh) Of course they all fall under concepts. Zeus throwing lightning bolts is a concept, that doesn't make it a non-myth. Harry Potter playing quidditch is a concept. The concept of horse is a real concept and the concept of pegasus is a real concept, all concepts are real, there's no such thing as a fictional concept.
Also, I never said the WORD "must" is not real, it's a word. Quidditch is a word, myth is a word and Kryptonian is a word.
EDIT: Sorry for sighing, it's not personal.
EducatorBig6648 t1_j4714bu wrote
It's not arbitrarily considered. If a pegasus does nothing outside our imagination it is a fiction. A horse does something outside our imagination as does danger and English. "Money" and "ownership" do nothing outside our imagination, they are not objective or subjective, they are imaginary.
It's dirt simple.
Proponentofthedevil t1_j47b3gf wrote
Then what is justice without myth? How do you explain to me what it is without some sort of narration? Is there something inherently wrong to the idea of a myth/narration?
Money does have direct influence. You can use it to influence others, purchase things, or whatever. It may be a concept, but it affects us in real ways. "Do nothing" is a bit of a stretch don't you think?
EducatorBig6648 t1_j47ehl1 wrote
>"Then what is justice without myth?"
Justice is mankind's search for an equality that is not absurd. It has nothing to do with myth.
>"How do you explain to me what it is without some sort of narration?"
Clearly (as seen above) easily. :-)
>"Is there something inherently wrong to the idea of a myth/narration?"
Not at all. Why do you ask? Seriously, I'm curious as to what I said that makes you think I was suggesting something that... broadsweeping.
>"Money does have direct influence."
No, it only affects through the imagination. Take a moment and think about it. The coins in "your" pocket, are they still "in date" or do you want to go online to check if people will trade you something for them or tell you to take them to the bank since THEY might?
>"You can use it to influence others, purchase things, or whatever."
"Purchasing" would be a myth so... And a thing can influence without being real, just look at kids running around with towels on their backs pretending to fly and shoot beams from their eyes.
>"It may be a concept, but it affects us in real ways."
Are you talking about it itself or its concept? The concept of Superman, Zeus or Odin affects us in real life but Superman, Zeus or Odin themselves affect us only through the imagination (as fictions do).
>""Do nothing" is a bit of a stretch don't you think?"
Obviously I do not.
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