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ChroniXmile t1_j38oxtp wrote

Reply to comment by kfpswf in The Persistent Problem of Consciousness: an astronaut's epiphany by simsquatched

“That’s completely incorrect”. Show me where in the universe magnetism and electricity do not exist? Or gravity? The idea that consciousness requires a “biological body” only means that it requires electricity. How can you assume consciousness and matter are separate while claiming a non-duality philosophy.

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kfpswf t1_j38ss3m wrote

>Show me where in the universe magnetism and electricity do not exist? Or gravity?

You're right. They exist everywhere, but manifest as electric current or magnetic flux in special cases where certain conditions are met. In other words, these un-manifest phenomenon become manifest.

Similarly, un-manifest consciousness pervades all universe, but manifests in certain conditions, namely, a living biological body.

>The idea that consciousness requires a “biological body” only means that it requires electricity.

Certainly. Consciousness requires all the bells and whistles of the laws of universe. It requires electricity for the nervous systems. It requires fluid dynamics for continuous replenishment of nutrients via vascular system.

>How can you assume consciousness and matter are separate while claiming a non-duality philosophy.

Because we are discussing physical reality, and in this realm, you do need to break-down components to understand a model. But if you are talking about metaphysical reality, then yes, everything is consciousness. In fact, you'll not know anything besides your consciousness your whole life.

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ChroniXmile t1_j393z13 wrote

Electricity is never “un-manifest”ed. It is required for atoms to bond and is present in everything that is matter. Furthermore electricity is present even in non-matter space by fields, where it enjoys the freedom to be and simultaneously to not be aka non-duality via the quantum nature of time.

To say consciousness requires a body is just a religious idea of humans being special. In fact, contrary to the astronauts idea of great religious teachings, this would mean biological creatures are not special and do not partake in special gifts from the gods like consciousness. Similar to how people believed the Earth was the center of the solar system or universe. We move on our own accord? Where do we go? Nowhere, because it’s an illusion of movement. Like the example of a train moving at the speed of light, and a passenger walks from the back to the front… he does not break the light barrier because he is not really moving anywhere.

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