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Electrical-Screen-64 t1_j1jey67 wrote

Bad-faith and uncharitable arguments

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Zanderax t1_j1jfuuf wrote

Could you be more descriptive?

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Electrical-Screen-64 t1_j1jk2au wrote

For the first quote - you are commenting about the statement as if it says "the woman is the locus for the existence of children and that is her only purpose and all women must fulfill this purpose" thus being uncharitable and responding to the article in bad faith.

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Zanderax t1_j1jky8m wrote

I dont see how that is uncharitable. The article frames children as being essential to a woman's existence and hetero relationships as being the best form of relationship.

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hemannjo t1_j1k58d7 wrote

Something tells me that this person wouldn’t be downvoted like she has been had her comments been directed at a catholic thinker. For some reason islam gets a free pass.

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hali26 t1_j1k76dh wrote

“Islam gets a free pass”– are freaking kidding me?? When the f**k has Islam ever been given a free pass? It is constantly, incessantly, denigrated & condemned all over the world. The caucasity is unreal.

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hemannjo t1_j1l9f6d wrote

Yeah, by conservatives. But on the topic of racism in Islamic countries, Islam’s history of slavery, apartheid, terrorism/religious wars, issues around gender equality and gender based segregation, the incredibly patriarchal nature of historical Islam etc, ‘liberals’ tend to be silent or apologetic. For example, the fact that liberals defend the hijab despite the fact that it is steeped in misogyny is, for me, the height of hypocrisy. The worst of it is that ‘liberals’ end up protecting the platforms and agendas of conservative and reactionary Muslim movements, while progressive Muslims and those who want to develop a self critical Islam compatible with western values, like Ghaleb Bencheikh, Malek Chebel, or even women of colour from Islamic societies speaking out against religious motivated injustices (ayaan hirsi Ali), are left without support. Why do liberal imams like Chalghoumi need to live under police protection exactly? When will Islam do its Vatican II?

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Zanderax t1_j1kjh1t wrote

I think there are just a lot of social conservatives in this sub who get angry at queer people existing and women having rights.

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