Submitted by Gmroo t3_zdfsu4 in philosophy
Reply to comment by ConsciousLiterature in The hard problem of metaphysics: figuring out if other phenomena exist in our universe that like consciousness require we bear a specific metaphysical relation to them - i.e. you can't know of consciousness without being conscious. by Gmroo
Explanation about our beliefs about consciousness rhat is independent if it...that's something else.
And it's conceivable an entity has intelligence but no subjective experience. So you can explain what strawberry tastes like till you're blue in the face. It doesn't grasp the concept of taste.
>The point is that it's unclear why the processes in our bodies have to feel like anything since descriptively they perform their function.
Again, what does this even mean?
>And it's conceivable an entity has intelligence but no subjective experience.
I am not sure if that's possible. I don't think you can gain or enhance intelligence without input of any sort and input is experience.
>So you can explain what strawberry tastes like till you're blue in the face. It doesn't grasp the concept of taste.
I think it could. Blind people have concepts of seeing, deaf people have concepts of hearing.
People born deaf have some compensatory mechanisms like better detection of vibrations... but you're stretching at this point.
Yes, the relation between intelligence and consciousness is an open problem. Input sure. Input is not experience. That is nonsense. I can build a simple raspberry Pi robot with accentuators and its simple processing doesn't mean it necessarily has subjective experience unless you subscrive to some form of panpsychism. I don't that flies.
>People born deaf have some compensatory mechanisms like better detection of vibrations... but you're stretching at this point.
They have input into their brains. They can understand input they don't have using input they do have.
>Input is not experience.
Of course it is. There can be no experience without input.
>I can build a simple raspberry Pi robot with accentuators and its simple processing doesn't mean it necessarily has subjective experience unless you subscrive to some form of panpsychism.
It has input and that input is in fact experience for the processor. It detects the electricity which then results in other electrochemical reactions.
This is no different than your brain.
It's is of course arcbitecturally completely different than my brain.....
From "input isn ot experience" it doesn't follow that there can't be any experience without input. I am simply saying not all forms of input result in subjective experience.
>It's is of course arcbitecturally completely different than my brain.....
It's really not that different though.
>From "input isn ot experience" it doesn't follow that there can't be any experience without input.
Sure it does. Experience is the result of electrochemical activity in the brain. That doesn't happen without input.
>I am simply saying not all forms of input result in subjective experience.
And I am saying they do.
Okay, wow. Bold claim. Evolution seemed to work hsrd to develop a CNS and such if all "input" is subjective experience.
>Okay, wow. Bold claim. Evolution seemed to work hsrd to develop a CNS and such if all "input" is subjective experience.
CNS can't work without input. It requires a steady stream of oxygenated blood and hydrocarbons all of which require input.
>It's is of course arcbitecturally completely different than my brain.....
An old circular CRT TV is architecturally completely different than a modern smart TV. Yet there's a commonality of function (convert input to two-dimensional visual display) that makes comparison not only possible, but obvious.
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