[deleted] t1_ix78vgk wrote
Reply to comment by Kektuals in The famous Butterfly Dream of Taoist Philosophy and how it recommends a radical openness to judging right from wrong by CaptainOfTheKeys
Spoken like a true debater.
Kektuals t1_ix78z1p wrote
Debating on Reddit is pointless. There’s no stakes here. You’re going to think you’re right no matter what argument I give. When’s the last time you were convinced to change your mind on a topic by a debate on Reddit? How many times has that happened in all your debates? I learned to stop wasting my time a long time ago.
[deleted] t1_ix79e0n wrote
I don’t agree. I’ve been proven wrong before and accepted it. Other times have had a nice look back of “I wasn’t wrong, but I was kind of an ass”.
And why specify reddit? Do you really think someone in the real world is going to change my opinions more effectively?
If you don’t want to waste your time debating here, you might as well stop wasting your time debating anyone at all in any environment.
Edit: I will admit online debates can be more toxic, but that’s no reason to dismiss a generally friendly online argument either.
Kektuals t1_ix79vmy wrote
Good argument. I’m dismissing this generally friendly online argument. Have a good night.
SoTastyWhales t1_ix7pduc wrote
The article is about Tao so going into the conversation with a mindset to be ‘right’, ‘wrong’ or ‘convinced’ just totally misses the mark. It’s about gaining new insight and understanding not flexing the strength of your mind or ideas (original or borrowed) against those of another.
Tao often describes itself as ‘A Void’, so against what are you disagreeing? If it’s the person in the comment section though then that’s kinda off topic.
Whalesurgeon t1_ix7f5xi wrote
Was this your best attempt at a generally friendly online argument?
[deleted] t1_ix7fsub wrote
Yeah, respectable would have been a better word than friendly
Whalesurgeon t1_ix7g8c8 wrote
I think a philosophy sub would offer the best dialogue when not debating, but sharing views instead. And the dude you spoke to really didn't want to have a debate I think.
[deleted] t1_ix7hsa9 wrote
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[deleted] t1_ix7hw2d wrote
Dude could’ve just said that outright and I’d have backed off.
SoTastyWhales t1_ix7pfen wrote
I mean to be fair he did
[deleted] t1_ix7qkth wrote
If it was obvious it wasn’t obvious to me otherwise I wouldn’t have said it. You’re trailing my comments a bit too much.
SoTastyWhales t1_ix7rc1n wrote
Nah just following the whole thread because it’s interesting and you’ve commented a lot.
iiioiia t1_ix97xvk wrote
>Debating on Reddit is pointless. There’s no stakes here.
Don't you think beliefs spread on Reddit, and don't you think beliefs have at least some effect on people's behavior?
Kektuals t1_ix9p3vb wrote
No.
iiioiia t1_ix9qqcn wrote
Do you know (JTB) that zero humans have ever adopted a single belief based on what they've read on Reddit (and if so: can you demonstrate that it is necessarily true, and applies to me personally)?
Kektuals t1_ixagu0a wrote
No.
iiioiia t1_ixaiwrt wrote
Well that's weird.
Kektuals t1_ixanqh0 wrote
If you say so. By the way, I’d avoid using the JTB model as your baseline model for knowledge. It’s a bit outdated at this point.
iiioiia t1_ixd07g5 wrote
On one hand: agree. On the other hand: most people seem unable to even seriously grapple with the notion of Truth, so from a pragmatic perspective I think it's very useful.
Do you have a superior proposal? I'm always looking for ways to improve.
[deleted] t1_ixfvzx6 wrote
I’m amazed that someone would think personal beliefs, tied in with the internet wouldn’t have an impact on how people act.
That person flat out said no to you and that is such a blind and ignorant viewpoint.
This sub is looking like Ben Shapiro wannabes.
iiioiia t1_ixg8rzw wrote
> I’m amazed that someone would think personal beliefs, tied in with the internet wouldn’t have an impact on how people act.
Me too, and yet here we are. > > > > That person flat out said no to you and that is such a blind and ignorant viewpoint.
Can you quote that text, I don't recall seeing it?
> > > > This sub is looking like Ben Shapiro wannabes.
The sickest of burns, how did you come up with something so novel?
[deleted] t1_ixg9x0c wrote
I was talking about the person who just flat out said “no” to your original comment.
And yeah Shapiro is the master of ego. I wasn’t so much going for the burn, more so just pointing out people who just blindly believe nonsense and act smug on top of it, especially for personal gain. That’s what he is and he should be called out for it.
I was trying to back up your comment but I guess that was a mistake? Shapiro deserves criticism and shouldn’t be worshipped, I can’t believe I’m having to say this… but here we are yeah?
iiioiia t1_ixgdh9c wrote
Hahaha.....I'm a bit of an odd duck, I wouldn't take me too seriously!
FWIW, I'm gonna RES tag you so to avoid being a jerk if we should ever cross paths again.
[deleted] t1_ixge2wy wrote
That’s fine but If I say something ridiculous then by all means be a jerk to me lol.. how else can we grow?
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