Submitted by baileyjn8 t3_yw817y in philosophy
ronnyhugo t1_iwlxum8 wrote
Reply to comment by Fancy_Put5353 in The Solution of Evil by baileyjn8
Evil has nothing to do with laws or religion, if there are no brains there is no suffering and no one imposing suffering on others. Not even an ant being burnt by a little kid with a magnifying glass.
Fancy_Put5353 t1_iwm3ami wrote
True but consciously even without a brain just like other animals without it we’ll still commit evil.
Is killing evil? Is killing animals and human evil for food ?
Even if we weren’t wired without a brain, we’ll be wired with something else. It may sound like a white and black fallacy but it’s not bc you are talking hypothetically
ronnyhugo t1_iwm717o wrote
>True but consciously even without a brain just like other animals without it we’ll still commit evil.
Animals without brains don't exist.
Humans can't exist without a brain, our bodily functions would not function. You are completely and utterly missing the point.
In a universe with just photons, there is no evil. There is nothing that can act evil and there is nothing that could be the victim of evil. Light particles don't care if you torture it, it is not possible to torture light particles or otherwise make them suffer. THAT is the point.
So if God exists, God demands brains to be capable of worshipping God, and thus God is evil. Because God made a universe where evil can exist at all. God made a universe where suffering is possible.
Fancy_Put5353 t1_iwq1zax wrote
What are you to say that god demands a Particular objective.
Also animals do exit without a brain The sponge
Humans are not naturally born to do Evil. It may be influence through survival but isn’t something innate. Human cannot exist without a brain with our current function. But if we were to function like a sponge it would be different.
If god exist he would want the best for us otherwise he wouldn’t of created us for evil deeds.
Instead he could’ve of created us without a brains.
ronnyhugo t1_iwtysu6 wrote
Can evil exist in a universe that lacks atoms? Just answer this.
Fancy_Put5353 t1_iwu8l55 wrote
Like I said evil isn’t innate it comes as a result of hardship or devilish ambitions.
Yes and no evil can exist even if we lack atoms. As only energy will be present. But that's just theoretical and not a fact.
As evil is created through the creation of organism. When they start to adapt.
Example particles
ronnyhugo t1_iwv0qg7 wrote
You need atoms to have ambition.....
This whole conversation has certainly given me hardship, because nothing you say is consistent.
First you say evil can exist without atoms but then you say evil is created by an organism.
And the words "example particles" doesn't even make a complete sentence. I can't read your mind! What does that mean!?
Fancy_Put5353 t1_iwv8yp5 wrote
Like I said
Aren’t we formed through mostly atoms.
Without them we wouldn’t exist.
Evil will always exist in our case it the manifestation of growth. While others may be different. Evil can be described as different thing just as each culture may have its own evil.
Without atoms, most things wouldn’t exist aspect energy.
Then evil will have a nuance meaning
how would we be able to do action.
ronnyhugo t1_iwvfuu3 wrote
>Like I said
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>Aren’t we formed through mostly atoms.
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>Without them we wouldn’t exist.
And neither would evil...
So like I said.
If god made a universe with no life in it.
There would be no evil there.
THAT God would be good.
That's what I said in the first comment. Its completely pointless to talk about a "Good God" when clearly, evil CAN exist in the universe he allegedly made.
Fancy_Put5353 t1_iwm3e37 wrote
That’s just a non realistic scenario
ronnyhugo t1_iwm67rl wrote
We're talking about deities, its all unrealistic. The point being that in universes where atoms cannot form at all, and thus stars don't make heavier elements than hydrogen, there is no evil there. So if God made only such universes, God could be good AND all-powerful.
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