Ok_Meat_8322 t1_iw8ygmh wrote
Reply to comment by iiioiia in The "Reasonable Certainty" Standard for Belief (On the problem of other minds, our duties to future people, and believing in the unknown) by contractualist
>For all propositions that exist, is there unanimous agreement on the necessary level of evidence required to meet epistemic justification?
Almost certainly not, but as I pointed out already, it doesn't matter whether there is or not.
>It is a crucially important component of your claim, so yes you do if you want your claim to be epistemically sound.
It isn't. The proposition in question is the conditional statement, "IF there is sufficient evidence for a belief, THEN that belief is justified", which doesn't require us to take any position on what constitutes sufficiency.
Since justification just is having sufficient evidence, then whatever sufficiency might be, IF you have it, THEN belief is justified, regardless of what constitutes sufficiency. Assume sufficiency to be whatever you like; no matter what you pick, it will always remain the case that if you have sufficient evidence (whatever "sufficient" might be) then belief is justified. Its just straightforwardly tautological, no subjectivity involved whatsoever.
iiioiia t1_iw90p8o wrote
> Almost certainly not, but as I pointed out already, it doesn't matter whether there is or not.
In terms of belief, perhaps, but in terms of knowledge there is.
If you were to simply acknowledge that you are expressing your opinion, I think we'd have less disagreement.
> It isn't. The proposition in question is the conditional statement, "IF there is sufficient evidence for a belief, THEN that belief is justified", which doesn't require us to take any position on what constitutes sufficiency.
Vague tautologies are true by definition. They are also an excellent source of delusion (as if consciousness and our piss poor education system wasn't enough!!!).
> Since justification just is having sufficient evidence, then whatever sufficiency might be, IF you have it, THEN belief is justified, regardless of what constitutes sufficiency.
At the object level, how do you determine that you have it though? Belief is powerful, but it has limited ability to transform reality itself, it only changes perception of reality.
> Assume sufficiency to be whatever you like
I cannot, it is against my religion.
Ok_Meat_8322 t1_iwdmtpi wrote
>If you were to simply acknowledge that you are expressing your opinion, I think we'd have less disagreement.
I'm trying to find anything in my previous comments in this thread that constitute mere opinion, and drawing a blank, so I'm afraid I can't do that.
And I'm suspicious whether we have any substantive disagreement, it mostly looks like you're trying to argue for the sake of arguing (especially since my point was straightforwardly tautological).
>At the object level, how do you determine that you have it though? Belief is powerful, but it has limited ability to transform reality itself, it only changes perception of reality.
An interesting and productive question, certainly... but one entirely outside of the scope of my comments or the point I was making in this particular thread (which was pretty straightforward)
iiioiia t1_iwdx4km wrote
What a weird tangent this took.
Ok_Meat_8322 t1_iwepujg wrote
Agreed, I began by merely pointing out something that I assumed was a typo or unintentional mistake, didn't really expect it to go any further than that
iiioiia t1_iwesf8v wrote
I like a big show.
Ok_Meat_8322 t1_iwhhhy6 wrote
So I gather..
iiioiia t1_iwhi01q wrote
And as luck would have it: it is rarely difficult to get one's counterpart enthusiastically involved in the manufacture of a big show.
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