SuperSirVexSmasher t1_itni931 wrote on October 24, 2022 at 11:07 PM

Reply to comment by AllanfromWales1 in Lab-grown meat could let humanity ignore a serious moral failing by phileconomicus

Please, go on. I've not heard this criticism before.

AllanfromWales1 t1_itp0uxd wrote on October 25, 2022 at 7:08 AM

A copypasta (with minor modifications) from elsewhere on Reddit:

>Immanent vs Transcendent Deity

> For me, the key issue is the distinction between a transcendent deity and an immanent deity. YHWH is a transcendent deity - He exists outside of the world, created it, rules over it, and judges us for the extent to which we obey him. For me Deity is immanent rather than transcendent - it is in and of the world, not an external creator, but rather a manifestation of Nature itself. In other words, it doesn't rule over the world, it is the world. It is certainly not judgemental. The only incentive to worship it is the joy and inner peace you can get from being close to nature.

SuperSirVexSmasher t1_itprw47 wrote on October 25, 2022 at 12:42 PM

God is supposed to be the first cause so it should always be transcendent, or it isn't God, but I imagine it's also of this world since it's supposed to be omnipresent.

Explain why the argument doesn't work if it's immanent. Is the idea that if God is all things of reality then God is also in all evil things? I've considered this before. Is this what you mean?

AllanfromWales1 t1_itq1zpt wrote on October 25, 2022 at 2:00 PM

Not a great believer in the good/evil dichotomy. Nature is 'red in tooth and claw', so if my Deity is immanent in nature, it includes that side of things. I don't accept that is evil, though.