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MaxTheAlmighty t1_itp4irg wrote

Reply to comment by SovArya in /r/philosophy Open Discussion Thread | October 24, 2022 by BernardJOrtcutt

I noticed that my concept of a human without free will is similar to the story of Prometheus

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SovArya t1_itp4n87 wrote

A higher being molding us?

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MaxTheAlmighty t1_itp4oxn wrote

I mean, the concept that before acheiving reason and knowledge humans were just AI

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SovArya t1_itpfrgu wrote

Not wrong. I think what separates use from AI is the ability to imagine and act on those. The ability to think; therefore I am.

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MaxTheAlmighty t1_itpudd9 wrote

But someone would say that dall-e can do that too. In reality, that AI program just smashes pictures from the internet together.

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SovArya t1_itpxjeq wrote

Yes, they can mimic, but that will always be based on existing data. The thinking part would be to create something new.

If we can program something that can imagine, then truly, all that we are has been passed.

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MaxTheAlmighty t1_itpxpn4 wrote

But when we humans create something new, we use real life existing objects . For example, you cannot think of a color your eyes can't see.

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SovArya t1_itpz9su wrote

This is where experiments come into play. For which can be programmed into something. But the ability to make iterations will be the test.

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MaxTheAlmighty t1_itpzs56 wrote

After making this discussion, i started to become a bit sad: since a lot of humans have or never realized that their actions aren't fully conscious, does it mean that they are no different from machines? Does It mean that real humans are very rare? Since children often act impulsively and almost randomly, are they still humans? I don't like the idea of humans being for the most part aleatory slaves, people who have no choice but to serve a dice...

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MaxTheAlmighty t1_itpgfyb wrote

I was saying that also calculators can do that, but calculators in reality work on a "if this combination, then do this" system, unlike humans.

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SovArya t1_itpgu03 wrote

Yes, the ability to be in specific, to imagine.

If I make a mimic - like human. It must be programmed to do auto random stuffs. I think by so many iterations it can make human like results. But not like humans.

If then else for the functions. Then random act or crunching knowledge to make something new.

Creativity, probably is the highest for our level.

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