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SovArya t1_itotzs6 wrote

Reply to comment by MaxTheAlmighty in /r/philosophy Open Discussion Thread | October 24, 2022 by BernardJOrtcutt

Yes, unfortunately that is the case.

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MaxTheAlmighty t1_itouzt3 wrote

This leads also to another conclusions: the first human on earth had free will, since he was not conditioned by anyone else and had to always think how to build a house in the woods or other activites like hunt or harvesting crops. But at some point he also started to act like this impuslively

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SovArya t1_itovyuk wrote

It depends on really on how we peg the basis of the first humans. Did they got made by God or by evolution. But I suppose we can only speculate.

As for God per SE, it's also another issue because how do we define God?

Like I would define a God as someone if we are 2nd dimensional beings, a 3+ being. Because it would be like an author writing a book and we have no say or control on what gets written. A definition not like that isnt Godlike.

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MaxTheAlmighty t1_itoue10 wrote

If you say "ok it's time for confession, i am the Person that manipualted SovArya all this time", you achieve free will for a few minutes.

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SovArya t1_itowwpq wrote

Interaction based on our senses causing chemicals in our brains causing us to do what we know by automatic or what's wired within us is true; then what you say is not wrong if you caused the environment or interaction prior to the moment you say you manipulated someone.

Scary as that is, it is possible and that's not wrong.

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MaxTheAlmighty t1_itp4ur0 wrote

Well, if we are mindless machines, as many people believe, why do we have a vague concept of free will?

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SovArya t1_itpfnrh wrote

A byproduct of evolution. By our ability to mix and match what we experience. I think in a way, the idea came about.

Also based on what we talk, I guess imagination of something new, not just recall; is another free will ability.

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MaxTheAlmighty t1_itouonn wrote

Then this leads to this conclusion: if God has free will, then he acts in an uncomprehensible way

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