Submitted by BasketCase0024 t3_y8sp94 in philosophy
ConsciousLiterature t1_itep64v wrote
Reply to comment by Bodywithoutorgans18 in [Peter Harrison] Why religion is not going away and science will not destroy it by BasketCase0024
>Evidence for the specific claims you made about dark matter.
I am still confused about what you want here. I made the claim that dark matter exists in this universe. Every paper on dark matter is about that.
>I never said I believe that God sent his only begotten son to die for our sins.
Sorry I presumed you were a christian given this is an english language forum.
What relligion do you believe in? Are you a muslim? A Buddhist? A viccan perhaps?
>I can tell you're under 25. Be well!
Yet another thing you are deluded about. You seem to be susceptible to believing things on no merit and without any credible evidence.
Bodywithoutorgans18 t1_itepu2t wrote
It doesn't exist "in this universe" though, or maybe it does. It interacts with matter in this universe. That does not necessitate that it exists in this universe.
I think that Islam is the truthful account.
I really don't think I'm deluded about the age at all. Narrow-mindedness to such a degree is only a youthful quality, literally because the brain has not fully developed yet.
ConsciousLiterature t1_iterdhk wrote
>It doesn't exist "in this universe" though, or maybe it does.
But it does. Why don't you try learning some things about it?
>It interacts with matter in this universe.
Because it's in this universe.
>That does not necessitate that it exists in this universe.
Yea it does.
>I think that Islam is the truthful account.
Ok then you believe that Mohammed split the moon in two.
>I really don't think I'm deluded about the age at all.
But you are deluded though.
>Narrow-mindedness to such a degree is only a youthful quality, literally because the brain has not fully developed yet.
And yet I don't believe a human is able to split the moon in two.
Bodywithoutorgans18 t1_ites524 wrote
Can you go get some for me to prove it does?
Can you even prove gravity exists in this universe?
What happened one second before the Big Bang?
Science has all the answers though you say. I say that's quite a belief you have. I also say that no matter what road you go, you're believing in something.
No, I do not think Mohammed split the moon in two (PBUH).
If I am deluded about the age then you are definitely a narcissist. That's fine too. I still lean towards a little Column A, little Column B rather than just one of those though.
ConsciousLiterature t1_itf6ghs wrote
>Can you go get some for me to prove it does?
As I said please read some papers or watch some youtube videos on it.
>Can you even prove gravity exists in this universe?
I am not a physicist but yes it has been proven that gravity exists in this universe. I can't believe I am talking to a person who denies gravity exists. That's a new one.
>What happened one second before the Big Bang?
Nobody knows. Do you?
>Science has all the answers though you say.
I never said that. Why are you putting words in my mouth. Why are you so dishonest?
>No, I do not think Mohammed split the moon in two (PBUH).
Then you don't believe the quron is the truth.
>If I am deluded about the age then you are definitely a narcissist.
Or maybe you are a person who believes things based on no evidence.
>That's fine too. I still lean towards a little Column A, little Column B rather than just one of those though.
it's actually column C. You lack thinking and analytical skills. You are prone to believing things that are not true.
Bodywithoutorgans18 t1_itf6z0u wrote
I see now. What is your definition of in this universe? Mine is, in our same universe and dimension. What is the gravity particle? How does gravity actually work according to science?
>Why are you so dishonest?
Because I am specifically trained in rhetoric. That's my secret in every situation I find myself in. I'm better at it than you. I also have quite a few years of life experience on you, young narcissist.
ConsciousLiterature t1_itf7g9i wrote
>What is your definition of in this universe? Mine is, in our same universe and dimension.
Yup same as me.
>What is the gravity particle?
The graviton is the proposed name.
> How does gravity actually work according to science?
read a science book.
>Because I am specifically trained in rhetoric.
A person specifically trained in rhetoric won't be as dishonest and sleazy as you.
>I'm better at it than you.
You are dishonest and I am not. That makes me better.
>I also have quite a few years of life experience on you, young narcissist.
more experience in denying gravity exists I guess.
Bodywithoutorgans18 t1_itf811s wrote
I've read enough science books to know that you cannot scientifically tell me how gravity actually fundamentally works at all. I don't deny its existence. No shit it exists. Your personal god (science/yourself) can't explain it though. What use is this science you hold above everything else when it can't even answer what should be a very trivial question? It could though! So much belief. That is a bigger leap of faith than the alternative when you actually think about it. Why do you want to be right so much in this area? Why does it matter to you inside so much? "Must we ourselves not become gods simply to appear worthy of it?" I can clearly see which way you have chosen in response to that question lol.
>A person specifically trained in rhetoric won't be as dishonest and sleazy as you.
Statements like these are how I know you are 12. Welcome to the real world, kiddo. People like me are at the top of it.
ConsciousLiterature t1_itf8qy8 wrote
>I've read enough science books to know that you cannot scientifically tell me how gravity actually fundamentally works at all.
I am pretty sure there are science books that tell you how gravity works.
>Your personal god (science/yourself) can't explain it though.
And yours does?
>What use is this science you hold above everything else when it can't even answer what should be a very trivial question?
I don't hold science above everything else and I don't claim it can answer every question.
As for what good science is well I am typing this on a computer on the internet while on medication so there you go it does plenty of good.
> Why do you want to be right so much in this area?
Because I am?
>Must we ourselves not become gods simply to appear worthy of it?"
Not at all.
> I can clearly see which way you have chosen in response to that question lol.
See above.
>Statements like these are how I know you are 12.
Statements like are how I know you lack thinking skills and base your beliefs on whatever it is you are feeling at the moment.
> People like me are at the top of it.
I don't see too many muslims on the top of anything.
Bodywithoutorgans18 t1_itf9c5q wrote
>I am pretty sure there are science books that tell you how gravity works.
I give you enough credit that I think you get the actual point.
>And yours does?
For me.
>I don't see too many muslims on the top of anything.
Once you blow through all the pleasures of being "successful" and finally bottom out from it all, you start spending a lot of time focusing on personal development. What else is there that is actually meaningful to do? I found the path that works for me after all of that. You should honestly be very thankful I did.
ConsciousLiterature t1_itfbxkx wrote
>Once you blow through all the pleasures of being "successful" and finally bottom out from it all, you start spending a lot of time focusing on personal development.
If you are an example of a muslim who has achieved the top of personal development then no thanks. I don't want anything to do with islam and I hope to god all muslims don't act and think like you do.
>I found the path that works for me after all of that.
A path that believes dark matter and gravity don't exist in this universe.
Disgusting.
>You should honestly be very thankful I did.
Why?
Bodywithoutorgans18 t1_itfckye wrote
Do you always pass such sweeping judgements so quickly, my lord? You know absolutely nothing about me beyond this very brief exchange in which I have been purposefully dismissive and avoidant of several of your questions. You started out the conversation with an immediately insulting tone, and yet I have still treated you with far more respect than you deserve. I am Buddha for being able to deal with people like you. You must have a TON of friends lmfao.
>A path that believes dark matter and gravity don't exist in this universe.
You have yet to provide a singular source that proves that they do. You cannot prove exactly what they are or how they function, what they are even comprised of. Therefore you cannot make such a statement. The fact that you continue to distort this position so severely yet throw out the insults you do proves the narcissism. I have a lot of experience dealing with narcissists. What I love most is that they can never not respond.
>Why?
I was not a very nice person.
ConsciousLiterature t1_itfd0zy wrote
>Do you always pass such sweeping judgements so quickly, my lord?
Do you object to being judged by your words and actions? How else should I judge you?
>You know absolutely nothing about me beyond this very brief exchange in which I have been purposefully dismissive and avoidant of several of your questions.
I have based my opinion on this exchange. Everything is based on things you said.
>You started out the conversation with an immediately insulting tone, and yet I have still treated you with far more respect than you deserve.
You haven't treated me with any respect at all.
>I am Buddha for being able to deal with people like you. You must have a TON of friends lmfao.
I do have a ton of friends. None of them believe gravity and dark matter exist outside of the universe though and oddly enough none of them have demanded I tell them how gravity works.
>You have yet to provide a singular source that proves that they do.
Pick up any science book. Have you provided some evidence that they exist outside of this universe?
>What I love most is that they can never not respond.
Is that why you continue to respond?
>I was not a very nice person.
you are not a very nice person now.
Bodywithoutorgans18 t1_itfd9br wrote
>you are not a very nice person now.
But I try to be. I've treated you with a lot of respect, a lot more than is deserved, that is why I continue to respond.
>Do you object to being judged by your words and actions? How else should I judge you?
What gives you the inherent right to judge anyone? God.
>Pick up any science book. Have you provided some evidence that they exist outside of this universe?
My only argument here is that I personally find it odd that science always comes tantalizingly close to these answers. Like 98%. But never 100%.
ConsciousLiterature t1_itfgj72 wrote
>But I try to be.
I see no evidence of this.
>I've treated you with a lot of respect,
You haven't treated me with any respect at all.
>What gives you the inherent right to judge anyone? God.
There is no god.
>My only argument here is that I personally find it odd that science always comes tantalizingly close to these answers. Like 98%. But never 100%.
That's not an argument.
Can you prove gravity and dark matter exist outside of the universe?
Bodywithoutorgans18 t1_itfgvqi wrote
>I see no evidence of this.
I'm not interested in your opinion on this particular subject honestly. I am on the more general subject.
>You haven't treated me with any respect at all.
How much respect do you think you inherently deserve? I have certainly treated you with magnitudes more respect than you have me. Have I thrown an insult or two in? Yes.
>There is no god.
But you exist. You judge people like you are god. Why are you not the god of your own universe?
>Can you prove gravity and dark matter exist outside of the universe?
No.
ConsciousLiterature t1_itfh7qd wrote
>How much respect do you think you inherently deserve?
More than zero. You have given me no respect at all.
>Have I thrown an insult or two in? Yes.
Yes you have.
>But you exist.
This is true.
>You judge people like you are god.
There is no god. I judge people like I am a human being who judges people based on the things they say and do.
>Why are you not the god of your own universe?
I don't have a universe.
>No.
Then why do you believe such silly things?
Bodywithoutorgans18 t1_itfhmna wrote
>More than zero. You have given me no respect at all.
One trait of a narcissist is that they always approach the world in very black or white thinking. Only absolutes. What do you think about that?
>I judge people like I am a human being who judges people based on the things they say and do.
Would that be the role of god if they did exist?
>I don't have a universe.
Are you the god of yourself?
>Then why do you believe such silly things?
I think that your position is a further leap from where humanity stands with its current knowledge of the universe than mine is. I have my own hypothesis as to why it is the preferred stance.
ConsciousLiterature t1_itfhspy wrote
>One trait of a narcissist is that they always approach the world in very black or white thinking. Only absolutes. What do you think about that?
I think you know less about psychology than you know about physics.
>Would that be the role of god if they did exist?
No. Also god doesn't exist
>Are you the god of yourself?
no.
>I think that your position is a further leap from where humanity stands with its current knowledge of the universe than mine is.
Nonsense.
>I have my own hypothesis as to why it is the preferred stance.
What is that?
Bodywithoutorgans18 t1_itfi3n6 wrote
>I think you know less about psychology than you know about physics.
Why is this the question that makes you defensive? Do you not think you have exhibited a very clear pattern of narcissistic traits in this conversation?
>Nonsense.
No.
>What is that?
That people are narcissistic.
ConsciousLiterature t1_itfjtnd wrote
>Why is this the question that makes you defensive?
What makes you think I am defensive?
>Do you not think you have exhibited a very clear pattern of narcissistic traits in this conversation?
Not at all.
>That people are narcissistic.
You certainly seem to be. Maybe it's a trait common in religious people. After all if you think there is some omniscient omnipresent being that created the universe and you think this being actually cares about you, what you eat, who you have sex with and why, where you touch yourself on your own body etc that's pretty narcissistic.
Bodywithoutorgans18 t1_itfki7x wrote
>What makes you think I am defensive?
It's the only one you gave more than a one word answer to, and you answered with an insult.
What would you classify as narcissistic traits?
>and you think this being actually cares about you, what you eat, who you have sex with and why, where you touch yourself on your own body etc that's pretty narcissistic.
I don't think that at all.
>You certainly seem to be.
But not you? I can assure you I do not meet the clinical definition or anything close to it. I have a plethora of Psychologists who have said so. I got sued and paid for a couple of lawyers' and multiple psychologists vacations and kids' college funds. I do not question at all where I clinically lie on any of those scales. I wasn't always such a nice person.
ConsciousLiterature t1_itfm5tu wrote
>It's the only one you gave more than a one word answer to, and you answered with an insult.
I think I actually over estimated your analytical skills.
>I don't think that at all.
Do you eat pork? What does the Quran have to say about that?
>But not you?
no not me.
> I can assure you I do not meet the clinical definition or anything close to it.
How can I trust your assurances? You have demonstrated a severe lack of knowledge about anything scientific and what's worse a highly illogical mind.
>I have a plethora of Psychologists who have said so.
Do you now.
>I got sued and paid for a couple of lawyers' and multiple psychologists vacations and kids' college funds.
Uh huh. Sure you did.
>I wasn't always such a nice person.
you are not a nice person now.
Bodywithoutorgans18 t1_itfmh30 wrote
>I think I actually over estimated your analytical skills.
What would you classify as narcissistic tendencies?
>How can I trust your assurances?
I have no reason to lie to some dipshit on the internet who I am only interested in communicating with at a base level for my own scientific purposes.
>You have demonstrated a severe lack of knowledge about anything scientific and what's worse a highly illogical mind.
But I make more than you do. So, what's that tell you about society, or really the worth of your overall opinion on the subject?
>Uh huh. Sure you did.
See the two statements above.
>you are not a nice person now.
See the three statements above.
Bodywithoutorgans18 t1_itfe8ut wrote
Part of what I just said was a lie. I continue to respond because the overwhelming majority opinion among Psychologists is that you can never change a narcissist. Never in a meaningful way. I don't want that to be true inside for reasons that are my own. So, I experiment with that.
Personally, I am an empath. Doesn't mean I can't have narcissistic tendencies. Everyone does to some degree. I am not always a good person either as you have pointed out, but I try to be.
ConsciousLiterature t1_itfgdiu wrote
>Part of what I just said was a lie.
Doesn't surprise me at all.
>I continue to respond because the overwhelming majority opinion among Psychologists is that you can never change a narcissist.
Huh?
>I continue to respond because the overwhelming majority opinion among Psychologists is that you can never change a narcissist.
Another anti science stance I see.
>Personally, I am an empath.
I believe you believe that.
> Doesn't mean I can't have narcissistic tendencies.
Certainly not.
>I am not always a good person either as you have pointed out, but I try to be.
You are not trying hard enough.
Bodywithoutorgans18 t1_itfgmgm wrote
These are very sweeping judgements. You yourself exhibit the exact opposite of everything you just described me as, no? Do you ever actually reflect on that? Why do you think it is your job and or right to pass such sweeping judgements on people?
ConsciousLiterature t1_itfhbim wrote
>These are very sweeping judgements.
They are highly specific judgements.\
>You yourself exhibit the exact opposite of everything you just described me as, no?
No.
>Why do you think it is your job and or right to pass such sweeping judgements on people?
I don't think it's my job. I do however have the right to judge anybody I want. Do you think I shouldn't have this right?
Bodywithoutorgans18 t1_itfhuxn wrote
Who endowed you with this right?
ConsciousLiterature t1_itfi0m1 wrote
The constitution of the united states.
Bodywithoutorgans18 t1_itfi721 wrote
Where does it explicitly say that?
ConsciousLiterature t1_itfjmyn wrote
Freedom of speech.
Bodywithoutorgans18 t1_itfjugt wrote
Your freedom of speech ends at the point where it infringes on someone else though. Passing judgement on someone else can also be called libel, or slander.
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