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eliyah23rd t1_issq0oh wrote

What meaning, then, does the genealogy of self as animal provide us? What does it prefigure in our actions that we may value?

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NotABotttttttttttttt t1_ist7qcb wrote

I don't know, but it's a better starting point than "God is our foundation and supports all our actions." I'd rather us all start together as animalness or humanness as a common denominator rather than divine tribal/cultural divide.

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eliyah23rd t1_isttgbg wrote

I'm not sure where the "is" and where the "ought" are in the linked article.

If our genealogy or history is just fact, then the question is, given X, how does that create our self-understanding and how would prefiguring in X lead us to act.

In other parts, the article (and post title) suggests that X is not given and should be invented so as to create a desired (which?) self-understanding and actions?

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fjccommish t1_isu1ffz wrote

When people are convinced they're nothing but animals, they act like animals.

God is our foundation is the truth, BTW.

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TFCSM t1_isud1fw wrote

> God is our foundation is the truth, BTW.

Do you have any convincing arguments that this is indeed the case?

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rushmc1 t1_isuxbbr wrote

Of course not, because they don't exist.

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fjccommish t1_isvz7ny wrote

Of course I do.

Life didn't spring from rocks. Whales and bananas didn't evolve from a single cell.

We never observe one kind becoming another. God created humans. They didn't evolve from a common ancestor with monkeys.

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rushmc1 t1_iswweyu wrote

Wow, you really know NOTHING about science, do you? BTW, none of those are "arguments." They're just false claims with nothing to support them.

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fjccommish t1_isx1hby wrote

What is your claim about how the universe began and how life on Earth began?

Those aren't arguments I made. Those are facts.

Find a pen that made itself. If a simple pen can't make itself, then a cell that's thousands of times more complex than a pen can't make itself, much less a life that's trillions of cells working together.

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fjccommish t1_isvz0ar wrote

If you found a pen on the ground, you'd agree it was created. Life is far more complex than a pen is, yet many think life came from rocks.

The universe is infinitely more complex than a pen, yet many think the universe exploded from nothing, nowhere, never.

Complex things have creators. The creation proves a creator.

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My3rstAccount t1_iswaw0w wrote

What if they're discovering the creation might be fake? Did the creation create itself like the blue dude in Watchmen?

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fjccommish t1_iswivtd wrote

Who is they?

The creator is outside the creation. The guy who invented the computer isn't inside the computer.

Evilutionism holds that life created itself from nothing.

Creation truth accepts that there was a creator.

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iambingalls t1_isueu1f wrote

This is incredibly naive and simplistic. The truth is that if you believe that God is on your side, you are capable of committing any crime necessary to whatever ends you attribute to him, as we've seen throughout history. Belief in God is not the only foundation of morality and in many cases can be a twisted foundation of total immorality and genocide.

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iiioiia t1_isukp6q wrote

>The truth is that if you believe that God is on your side, you are capable of committing any crime necessary to whatever ends you attribute to him, as we've seen throughout history.

True, but potentially misinformative (a vague term, and used as such for appropriateness).

Replace God with most any ideology or methodology and it is also true.

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fjccommish t1_isux1s6 wrote

God is on everybody's side.

A person who goes to crime and evil when God is mentions - the Ten Commandments are for you.

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robothistorian t1_isv09ji wrote

>Belief in God is not the only foundation of morality

Very interesting. Can you point to other foundations of morality?

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