Amateur philosopher

Arguing with a pal

But we got bogged down with semantics and prosody of prior tangential arguments.

Roughly.

My general stance.

Facts logical reasonings etc are just for increasing confidence in beliefs

Beliefs aren't necessitated by facts

Their stance

The universe and all of reality operates on a logical system even if all the logic isn't known yet - thus beliefs are contingent on facts of reality and are determined by reality

They describe belief as a kind of hyper fact - created information but factual only that it is - and not itself knowledge or understanding.

I only had one counter before we got tangential

That having facts doesn't determine goals - information simply is without a goal aim etc it's up to the individual to believe a goal and then gather information towards it

I can add the tangents if people think it would help.