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86LeperMessiah t1_irjh1t8 wrote

Reply to comment by Mmiguel6288 in Quantum philosophy: 4 ways physics will challenge your reality by ADefiniteDescription

What is funny is that it actually is the other way around, determinism entails free will, I choose one thing over the other because of reasons, if non-determisim was the reality then I would ultimately choose one thing over the other because of randomnes, and that is the opposite of free will. If the choosing is done via randomness then there is no choice making agent.

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Mmiguel6288 t1_irji6qc wrote

Randomness does not explain libertarian free will - agreed.

But concluding that libertarian free will must therefore be explained by the non-existence of randomness is not a valid logical step.

If everything in the universe is causally determined, then that does not explain libertarian free will either.

In my view, libertarian free will is self contradictory, and is compatible with neither a deterministic nor a nondeterministic universe.

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86LeperMessiah t1_irjsalh wrote

Yes, libertarian free will is self contradictory, I didn't make it clear that I wasn't making a case for that position in specific, my bad.

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