Submitted by ADefiniteDescription t3_xyumwc in philosophy
GameKyuubi t1_irjcj04 wrote
Reply to comment by Mmiguel6288 in Quantum philosophy: 4 ways physics will challenge your reality by ADefiniteDescription
wow determinism is really detested in here lmao
Mmiguel6288 t1_irjdcrp wrote
I would say mostly because it is not compatible with libertarian free will and absolute objective morality.
86LeperMessiah t1_irjh1t8 wrote
What is funny is that it actually is the other way around, determinism entails free will, I choose one thing over the other because of reasons, if non-determisim was the reality then I would ultimately choose one thing over the other because of randomnes, and that is the opposite of free will. If the choosing is done via randomness then there is no choice making agent.
Mmiguel6288 t1_irji6qc wrote
Randomness does not explain libertarian free will - agreed.
But concluding that libertarian free will must therefore be explained by the non-existence of randomness is not a valid logical step.
If everything in the universe is causally determined, then that does not explain libertarian free will either.
In my view, libertarian free will is self contradictory, and is compatible with neither a deterministic nor a nondeterministic universe.
86LeperMessiah t1_irjsalh wrote
Yes, libertarian free will is self contradictory, I didn't make it clear that I wasn't making a case for that position in specific, my bad.
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