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ValyrianJedi t1_irgiyo6 wrote

Reply to comment by Vast-Material4857 in “Scientific progress is thwarted by the ownership of knowledge.” How Karl Popper’s philosophy of science can overcome clinical corruption. by IAI_Admin

> They do not contribute to science.

They literally directly fund it

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Vast-Material4857 t1_irgkc3f wrote

Would you call them scientists?

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ValyrianJedi t1_irgtqxi wrote

Obviously not. You don't have to be a scientist to contribute to science though

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Vast-Material4857 t1_irgywu6 wrote

Being a middleman is not a contribution, it's a hindrance.

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ValyrianJedi t1_irh4wmm wrote

I don't think you understand what the word "middleman" means.

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Vast-Material4857 t1_irh6x09 wrote

What's inbetween labor and consumers?

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ValyrianJedi t1_irh7d20 wrote

Certainly not investors, who's contribution takes place before the scientists', and without which the scientists' contribution couldn't exist.

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Vast-Material4857 t1_irh8kgh wrote

We have public institutions. Those exist.

Also, do you believe private institutions produce more science?

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ValyrianJedi t1_irh90qn wrote

Yes. Unequivocally. The fact that you apparently don't means that you have absolutely no clue what you are talking about and there isn't any point even responding to you anymore.

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Vast-Material4857 t1_irh9bhm wrote

Can you cite that for me?

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ValyrianJedi t1_irhaowb wrote

It's not hard information to find. From a super cursory Google search pulling up the Funding of Science page on Wikipedia: "According to the Organisation for Economic Co-operation and Development (OECD), more than 60% of research and development in scientific and technical fields is carried out by industry, and 20% and 10% respectively by universities and government."... The International Science Council says that "The private sector’s share of global science and innovation is growing, and is now estimated to represent approximately 70 per cent of global expenditure on science.". Source...

It's really not a disputable fact.

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Vast-Material4857 t1_irhc8c9 wrote

Do you consider monster flavored ketchup science?

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ValyrianJedi t1_irhces3 wrote

So you ask for sources, then throw out some juvenile nonsense when presented with them. Yeah, definitely done bothering with you.

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Vast-Material4857 t1_irhd2ra wrote

That counts as R&D and for some reason that's weighed the same as a new vaccine. Do you not think that's little manipulative? What do you have against more nuance?

If you want s source, how about this one?

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VitriolicViolet t1_irgo2s4 wrote

you mean gov does, these clowns pick up what we paid for then tweak and it pretend its their own 'innovation'.

nothing innovative about the millionth smartphone.

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