ValyrianJedi t1_irg2es8 wrote
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They are usually the people funding something, which is definitely needed as well
VitriolicViolet t1_irgnzga wrote
oh you mean like how gov used to until the wealthy lobbied them out of it?
again, useless middle men. Actually no they are worse then useless as they hold research back massively by only funding grants that will generate a ROI.
commodification of science is slowing it massively while we waste billions making new iphones.
ValyrianJedi t1_irgtven wrote
That whole comment just screams that you have absolutely no idea what you're talking about
bakerpartnersltd t1_irhlc3a wrote
And you sound hopelessly naive.
ValyrianJedi t1_iriip1v wrote
I'm definitely not naive on that topic
Vast-Material4857 t1_irgb5t2 wrote
Yeah, those are middlemen. Bureaucrats. They do not contribute to science.
Bensemus t1_irges1j wrote
Except the funding that makes it possible... Is this a challenging concept for you?
In the US the public is rarely in favour of spending tax dollars on science. People are constantly calling for NASA's budget to be reduced as they see no purpose in the science they do. Now try and replace all the private dollars with government ones and see how that's received.
Vast-Material4857 t1_irgijjf wrote
But it's not inherent to science. That's a clerical issue. You can conduct science publicly just as well as you can privately, nothing necessitates private organizations to being essential to creation of new science.
>In the US the public is rarely in favour of spending tax dollars on science.
Do you think we produce more science through private institutions than public ones?
VitriolicViolet t1_irgo8dc wrote
>You can conduct science publicly just as well as you can privately, nothing necessitates private organizations to being essential to creation of new science.
decades of brainwashing have convinced most people gov shouldnt run hospitals, prisons or schools ffs. these idiots think gov doing things is communism and automatically worse then private leechs doing the same thing +cost.
ValyrianJedi t1_irgiyo6 wrote
> They do not contribute to science.
They literally directly fund it
Vast-Material4857 t1_irgkc3f wrote
Would you call them scientists?
ValyrianJedi t1_irgtqxi wrote
Obviously not. You don't have to be a scientist to contribute to science though
Vast-Material4857 t1_irgywu6 wrote
Being a middleman is not a contribution, it's a hindrance.
ValyrianJedi t1_irh4wmm wrote
I don't think you understand what the word "middleman" means.
Vast-Material4857 t1_irh6x09 wrote
What's inbetween labor and consumers?
ValyrianJedi t1_irh7d20 wrote
Certainly not investors, who's contribution takes place before the scientists', and without which the scientists' contribution couldn't exist.
Vast-Material4857 t1_irh8kgh wrote
We have public institutions. Those exist.
Also, do you believe private institutions produce more science?
ValyrianJedi t1_irh90qn wrote
Yes. Unequivocally. The fact that you apparently don't means that you have absolutely no clue what you are talking about and there isn't any point even responding to you anymore.
Vast-Material4857 t1_irh9bhm wrote
Can you cite that for me?
ValyrianJedi t1_irhaowb wrote
It's not hard information to find. From a super cursory Google search pulling up the Funding of Science page on Wikipedia: "According to the Organisation for Economic Co-operation and Development (OECD), more than 60% of research and development in scientific and technical fields is carried out by industry, and 20% and 10% respectively by universities and government."... The International Science Council says that "The private sector’s share of global science and innovation is growing, and is now estimated to represent approximately 70 per cent of global expenditure on science.". Source...
It's really not a disputable fact.
Vast-Material4857 t1_irhc8c9 wrote
Do you consider monster flavored ketchup science?
ValyrianJedi t1_irhces3 wrote
So you ask for sources, then throw out some juvenile nonsense when presented with them. Yeah, definitely done bothering with you.
Vast-Material4857 t1_irhd2ra wrote
That counts as R&D and for some reason that's weighed the same as a new vaccine. Do you not think that's little manipulative? What do you have against more nuance?
If you want s source, how about this one?
VitriolicViolet t1_irgo2s4 wrote
you mean gov does, these clowns pick up what we paid for then tweak and it pretend its their own 'innovation'.
nothing innovative about the millionth smartphone.
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